The attitude certain tanks have....

[kazaran]

should be able to see the tanks target and switch, if not and it's hard for you then ask him too. I leave marks on my bar incase.

A proper tank, isn't going to be on 1 target all the time. Espcailly with swap happy DD and AOE DD. they are rotating hit combos to maintain good control, and not simply spamming flash, you can tell how much you have, and that's why fustraton sets in when DD like to bounce to another to try to "Be elite" and off balance it or just make tanks work harder the n there simple combos they spam.

In satasha the can rotate enough with current skills to allow some aoe dd once it is balanced. DD should pay attention to mob hp and see that fact then AOE.

Satasha is a simple dungeon so hate shouldn't be an issue. Until Bray.. it doesn't get more difficult. After that it depends. And at that point DD control is key.

[Vaughn]

I have only played THM so far but want to do a tank class next. I do have a couple of questions.

As THM i try to sleep all the mobs that are not primary as soon as the pull starts.

In some parties the tank likes to attack each mob first before I sleep. In other parties the tank focuses on the primary mob while i sleep the rest.

Do any current tanks have a preference either way?

The second one works well unless someone does something to generate hate, such as heal before the mobs are slept.

[kazaran]

As a tank I pay attention to if the mage is sleeping or not. If not im hitting them all then back to main focus. If they do I try not to wake it and stay on focus. Tanks should specify or adapt.

Flash will not wake the mob and if slept I flash them so thy do not turn on the sleeper or healer. If you just sleep them yes it generates some hate. Usually wait to tank flashes first on pull then sleep non focus.

[Hachiko]

Tanks have a lot of luxuries. They can leave whenever they want because a new group is merely 10 minutes away. They know DD have a 40-90 minute queue, and honestly it gives tanks a lot of power.

This also means that they have the luxury of just going until they get a group that is situate properly for them to be carried through the dungeon.

If you don't like it, roll a tank yourself.

That said it's also easy to tank as a tank, even in sub par gear.

I have only played THM so far but want to do a tank class next. I do have a couple of questions.

As THM i try to sleep all the mobs that are not primary as soon as the pull starts.

In some parties the tank likes to attack each mob first before I sleep. In other parties the tank focuses on the primary mob while i sleep the rest.

Do any current tanks have a preference either way?

The second one works well unless someone does something to generate hate, such as heal before the mobs are slept.

Only bad tanks want you to wait to sleep. Any tank even remotely worth his salt will be using Flash which doesn't wake mobs up, and even if a mob gets away if a tank is remotely aware of the situation, they can pick it up before it hits someone more than twice.

I think the "optimum" way to do a pull is to have the tank pull it with a ranged skill, then flash as they approach, then flash a second time while you are casting sleep. This will make sure that sleep isn't broken, and he has sufficient threat on them that they won't be hard to pick up when sleep wears off.

But as mentioned above tanks can afford to be primadonnas, so in order to appease them it's best to ask them what they prefer beforehand. Some are stupid enough to not want you to sleep. Hopefully they get rid of that attitude before Brayflox.

[Septamus]

At the end of the day, people don't like to be wrong. I'm very apologetic when i screw up usually - I try to do my role to the best of my ability and to master it. But even then occasionally I make a bad choice things go tits up, someone chews me out for it and my first instinct is to get defensive even though I know that they are right.

It depends whether people get confrotnational about it, or whether you have that touch of self criticality so you are your own critic. A lot of rage quits i think are generated by people being loudly critical or outright offensive, instead of remaining calm, analytical and carrying on with a modified plan.

No one should be treating you that way regardless if you mess up or not, this is a game, and this goes for anyone else, no one should be treated that way.

[Aleczan]

Back to the original post of the thread starter, I think it is not only the power that a tank has (as a highly wanted party member) but also because of the Party Finder.

There was once (back in Beta Phase 2) where this holier-than-thou Conjurer flipped because we told them to please don't spam Medica when unnecessary (they kept getting attacked because of that). Back then, was in Copperbell Mines, and after wiping for 3rd time at the slime room (while apparently getting closer to winning after each wipe) the person cussed us out and just quit. (We won and completed the quest, all the way through the Giga boss, though LOL.)

Some people just don't take advice and do not realize their own mistake.

People in Duty Finder, knowing that they cannot be blacklisted and that no one could do anything against them, might decide to be a douche at any time during the dungeon run. So I wish there were Duty Finder blacklist, I really wish. So that I won’t run into that person ever again, even if now the chance is already like impossible to randomly bump into the same person we met before (this is probably also the reason why some people decide to be a douchbag to the party in Duty Finder).

[kazaran]

Tanks have a lot of luxuries. They can leave whenever they want because a new group is merely 10 minutes away. They know DD have a 40-90 minute queue, and honestly it gives tanks a lot of power.

This also means that they have the luxury of just going until they get a group that is situate properly for them to be carried through the dungeon.

If you don't like it, roll a tank yourself.

If I tank I don't rage quit. If people give me attitude when they act like they know what they are doing and really clearly don't, then I ignore them and let them know if you get over xealous you have to deal with extra hate you do on purpose.

[Devilair]

I would appreciate it if DDs focused on my marks and if everyone didn't run away if they accidently pull something. Running does nothing but lead the monster out of my range. Stay close enough that I can shield lob/provoke it back please.

/this

Also, would be nice if healers didn't put regen onyou before a pull, and dd calmed the hell down and hold their breath for 3 seconds before unloading all they have on the target you pulled.

[Septamus]

/this

Also, would be nice if healers didn't put regen onyou before a pull, and dd calmed the hell down and hold their breath for 3 seconds before unloading all they have on the target you pulled.

I try my best not to get my tank angry I am a healer and I try to make the fights as easy as possible for him, I wait until he has aggro to heal, I sleep targets that he wants targeted, and watch to resleep, a happy tank keeps enemies off of me.(most of the time)

It says I am a arcanist but really I am a whm lvl 40, not sure why its calling me an arcanist, maybe because I started out as one.

[cfStatic]

The problem is you got primadonna tanks from WoW and other MMO's where they get a trillion emnity just by being there basically. On the flip side you also have DDs that think they can just unleash hell even before the tank is up there, Healers that think they can just area heal everything. People need to realize that this game works differently.

It doesn't 'work differently'. Tank uses threat generating mechanic, DPS focus tanks target or risk pulling aggro(or do, in some cases - looking at you SMN), healer heals tank and throws heals around as needed. AoE threat generation as a tank is a joke though, and trying to catch up in threat on more than one add that spawns in the middle of a fight will, depending on how good your DPS are at killing stuff, make you lose aggro on the stuff your DPS is killing.