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    Dirty Sloppy Paladin Oath Math

    I just lost my post... I hate this Firefox keystroke PG UP. I just... I just wanted to do some quick and dirty math (for fun and giggles).

    Okay, try #3.


    Dirty math break down in the hidden boxes. It does not calculate the actual damage, it only calculates the "potency". Damage may be factored in by auto-attack damage, weapon damage, Strength, Determination, and other things.

    Summary:
    A Paladin using a Cobalt Winglet, using the Rage of Halone combo as frequently as possible and auto-attacking a target for one minute, rounding the number of attacks down.

    The Paladin in Sword Oath with a Cobalt Winglet is contributing 9080 attack potency toward the battle (not actual damage) and generating 12760 potency worth in enmity.

    The Paladin in Shield Oath with a Cobalt Winglet is contributing 6144 attack potency toward the battle and 18176 attack potency in enmity, while sustaining 20% less damage (healing potency of this not factored).

    The Paladin without any Oath (e.g. Gladiator) with a Cobalt Winglet is contributing 7680 attack potency toward the battle and generating 11360 potency worth in enmity.

    As stated, other weapons with slower delays may translate the potency into higher (or lower) numbers. So, grain of salt yeah? (and it's math sorta, it was fun). The damage difference is equivalent to doing Rage of Halone combo almost five times. Mostly just throwing it out there.

    Please note, this isn't a representation of actual damage, but of the "potency" as indicated by a tool tip.
    Auto-attack potency = 100 (determined by attacking a testing dummy, then using abilities and deriving the suspected potency of auto-attack that way).
    Sword Oath potency = 50
    Using a Cobalt Winglet, attack speed = 2.09 seconds per attack
    Number of attacks in a minute = 28 attacks, rounding down

    Auto-attack potency over a minute = (100 + 50) * 28 = 4200 attack potency (not damage).
    Enmity generated over a minute = 4200 attack potency worth in enmity

    Assuming that a Paladin is spamming Fast Blade -> Savage Blade -> Rage of Halone (150 + 200 + 260), with an attack potency of 610 every 7.5 seconds.
    The number of times a Paladin can pull off this combo in a minute "could" be 8 times.
    Savage Blade and Rage of Halone generate x2 enmity based on damage dealt, so enmity of 400 potency and 520 potency.
    The combo generates an enmity equal to 1070 attack potency.

    Rage of Halone combo over a minute = 610 * 8 = 4880 attack potency (not actual damage)
    Enmity of Rage Halone combo over a minute = 8560 attack potency worth of enmity

    The Paladin in Sword Oath with a Cobalt Winglet is contributing 9080 attack potency toward the battle (not actual damage) and generating 12760 potency worth in enmity.

    The Paladin in Shield Oath deals 20% less damage, takes 20% less damage, all actions have x2 enmity. But looking at this from a damage and enmity perspective with SLOPPY unsane math... we have...

    Shield Oath impacts all damage by 0.8, but then doubles the enmity generated, so then we have...
    Auto-attack with the same Cobalt Winglet that is in desperate need of repair now: 100 * 0.8 = 80
    With an enmity generation of x2, so 80 * 2 = 160
    Auto-attack potency over a minute = 2240
    Enmity generation of auto-attacks = 4480

    Then for the Rage of Halone combo, potency is 610 * 0.8 = 488 attack potency.
    The enmity potency however is now equal to (150 + 200 * 2 + 260 * 2) * 0.8 * 2 = 1712.
    (Fast Blade + Savage Blade's double enmity + Rage of Halone's double enmity) * Shield Oath's reduced damage dealt * Shield Oath's bonus enmity.

    Over the course of a minute, the Rage of Halone combo in Shield Oath deals 3904 in attack potency for damage and 13696 in attack potency for enmity.

    The Paladin in Shield Oath with a Cobalt Winglet is contributing 6144 attack potency toward the battle and 18176 attack potency in enmity, while sustaining 20% less damage.
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    Last edited by Fiosha_Maureiba; 09-06-2013 at 06:56 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiosha_Maureiba View Post
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    I guess the general message to carry in this is that you perform better with one or the other up, and decide on which to use depending on the situation. I've always postulated that Sword Oath would shine in spots where you're not the main tank for whatever reason (tank swaps, mechanics where you can't generate threat for X seconds).
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    * The sad thing is that FFXIV turned RDM into a turret, and people think that's what it's supposed to be. It's supposed to combine sword and magic into something more, not spend the bulk of gameplay spamming spells and jump into melee for only 3 GCDs before scurrying back to the back line like good little casters.
    * Design ideas:
    Red Mage - COMPLETE (https://tinyurl.com/y6tsbnjh), Chemist - Second Pass (https://tinyurl.com/ssuog88), Thief - First Pass (https://tinyurl.com/vdjpkoa), Rune Fencer - First Pass (https://tinyurl.com/y3fomdp2)