Swoard Oath & Shield Oath

[Kryzen]

It is impossible for any class to pull threat off a PLD ST wise, even without Shield Oath. Our ST aggro rotation once we get RoH just generates a stupid amount of threat. The only way a class can pull threat off a PLD is one of three ways...

1) You are a WAR who just used provoke to cheat your way up
2) DPS hitting the wrong target and you should delete your character for your noobishness.
3) Your PLD just sucks and should delete his character because all he does is auto attack

If you are a DPS and you pull aggro part 2 or 3 just occurred.

edit: to include SMN who tab dot... flash is more then enough to maintain threat vs that and if the PLD looses aggro he should be kicked.

personally i would simply stay in sword oath, at least for pugs. Since a lot of the healers MP is going to the DPS who cant avoid the red it helps them a lot to save on MP when healing the tank. FC run what you want, they go so much smoother and its a ton less effort.

[Ariyn]

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Sorry sir but you are wrong on so many points. Should get to max level before making absurd claims.

1. a WAR with defiance up spamming his same normal rotation will pull threat from a PLD eventually. They do more dmg flat out which equals to more emnity. No need to use provoke at all.
2. DPS hitting the wrong targets can cause a fairly new pld to lose one but in the case of SMNs that's how there dps goes. They multi dot and Flash will not hold hate over it for long.

Sword Oath is good if you are off tanking on a boss that's about it. Even on a boss with the movement, interrupting, etc going on you can have DPS creep up on you. Especially on fights like Ifrit when you are waiting for interrupts. There really is no reason when tanking a boss to not have shield oath on. Sword oath only affects your auto attacks which is minimal AND you cut your emnity in half.

Getting an extra 50 potency on auto attacks (which are garbage altogether) is not worth losing the emnity even if you are far ahead or the 20% dmg reduction. You never know what's going to happen and that 150 dmg you do extra per minute will not make or break any fight in the game. If it does then it's the dps that have an issue not you.