Endgame Summoner -- Garuda

[Mindcl0ud]

Forgot to mention that I hate Bane has such a low range. People that don't understand summoner need to learn / realize that if there is an add fight - we can do really good DPS on it, you just need to bring the add to the boss / main target so we can bane spread our dots on to it, and we'll be wrecking it pretty quickly.

As far as contagion - it's to add 15~ seconds to all your dots, making them do more damage with less casts. It doesn't re-calculate the damage. what I mean is this: ( Using rough numbers )
Normal DoT ( Bio ) is ticking for 40 damage - lasts 15 seconds. When Garuda uses contagion, it's doing 40 damage a tick, for 30 seconds instead.

Also, if you use that in junction with Raging Strikes up, they are also doing extra damage, for a longer period of time.

We are starting to work on titan this evening / the next time we are together so I'll let you know how that goes, but so far I've been able to keep track of stuff and still throw in Ruins.

[Mindcl0ud]

My rough calculations for the DPS loss of not casting Ruin:

You have 24 GCDs in a minute. In a minute, you'll cast 4 Bios, 4 Thunders, 3 Miasmas, 2 Bio 2s, and 2 Shadow Flares, for 15 GCDs total used on DoTs, leaving 9 GCDs for Ruin.

9 Ruins is 720 potency of damage.

Total DoT potency a tick is: 40 (Bio) + 35 (Bio2) + 35 (Miasma) + 40 (Thunder) + 25 (Shadow Flare) = 175.

There are 20 DoT ticks a minute, for 3500 DoT potency total over a minute.

3500 DoT potency + 720 Ruin potency = 4220 potency total over a minute, of which ~17% is Ruin.

Thus not casting Ruin at all is a loss of 17% of your DPS.

Good math I l agree with this completely!

[HiirNoivl]

I disagree for the reasons I posted above. Egi management is the lynchpin to your DPS. If your Pet actions (like Heel) are on cooldown because you're casting Ruin you could have a problem.

You're not going to be casting Ruin nearly that much.

[Sacerdos]

I disagree for the reasons I posted above. Egi management is the lynchpin to your DPS. If your Pet actions (like Heel) are on cooldown because you're casting Ruin you could have a problem.

You're not going to be casting Ruin nearly that much.

You can use Ruin 2 so you can Ruin and use instants in the same GCD.

[HiirNoivl]

If the situation warrants it yes. But why use Ruin II and lose MP when you can use Energy Drain and gain it for more DPS?

I might put it back on later.

Maybe.

[Sacerdos]

If the situation warrants it yes. But why use Ruin II and lose MP when you can use Energy Drain and gain it for more DPS?

I might put it back on later.

Maybe.

You can Ruin 2 and Energy Drain/Fester in the same GCD, since Ruin 2 is instant and Energy Drain/Fester are off the GCD.

Basically:
1. Need to use an off GCD instant in the next 2.5s? Ruin 2
2. Don't need to use an off GCD instant in the next 2.5s? Ruin 1

[HiirNoivl]

I do use the Energy Drain/Fester combo yes. I'll see about adding Ruin II. ^_^

[DNO]

So even on single targets like Ifrit and garuda you guys still think shadow flare is a useful skill? I think casting ruin 2 times makes up for it no? between the casting time for SF and the GCD ruin 2 should be more Dmg I think.

[Sacerdos]

So even on single targets like Ifrit and garuda you guys still think shadow flare is a useful skill? I think casting ruin 2 times makes up for it no? between the casting time for SF and the GCD ruin 2 should be more Dmg I think.

Shadowflare is 10 ticks of potency 25, for 250 total potency. As long as they sit in it for at least 4 ticks, 100 potency at 12 seconds, it is better than Ruin.

[DNO]

Shadowflare is 10 ticks of potency 25, for 250 total potency. As long as they sit in it for at least 4 ticks, 100 potency at 12 seconds, it is better than Ruin.

Wow interesting I never thought of it that way. thanks for all the info we need better SMN out there and this post and thread will help. (I know it did me)