Heals for Scholors need a buff

[Rainsford]

2ndly the haste is not as strong as it reads. It shaves of .12sec of my heal so it must not be exactly 30%. Also Sch is lowest dps job by a large margain fyi. Someone parsed it as being 40% lower then whm
Sch is also not good at quickly aoeing adds like whm can with holy.

It gives you a 30% increase to your spell speed stat. It's about 110~ based off lvl 50 stats. It's not huge, but 8 players alternating with an extra 110~ spell/skill speed is nice.

Also, not to argue DPS on a healer, but I'm not sure where you're getting those numbers from (maybe it's Ruin spam v Stone spam?). With Cleric Stance up, my dots tick for 350~ (counting Shadow Flare). Energy Drain does around 250, and Ruin II around 120. You're not doing DPS level damage, but it's higher and more sustainable than a WHM.

[Scerick]

Well after farming Ifrit hard about 30 times to get my book I was not once matched or out healed by a White Mage.

Most fights ended up with me sitting at roughly 130k healing done including bubbles, and around 70-80k healing done not including bubbles with most White Mages sitting at 30-50k healing done (One White Mage, I forget her name actually put up a respectable 77k healing done). These numbers were obtained using ffxiv-app and included healing done by Eos. I also only looked at kill attempts and reset the log between each pull. These numbers also don't reflect damage prevented with Eye for an Eye, Sacred Soil, Blind, Virus, etc.

For the record Eos puts out an incredible amount of healing, especially with Rouse, so FWIW when played right Scholars are pretty damn amazing.

Edit: I would just like to point out that this isn't meant to slam White Mages in any way - it's clear their ability to burst AoE heal completely trounces a Scholar. But the effectiveness of the pet and being able to Pre-shield the entire group (shields let you over-heal effectively AND reduce the amount of possible HP that a White Mage can heal) is being completely overlooked by the people screaming for buffs.

Yes we need better pet control - and I would like a bubble-less AoE heal, even if it was only 100 value, so I can spam while Succor shields are still on the raid but this is all QoL.

[Draemos]

Well after farming Ifrit hard about 30 times to get my book I was not once matched or out healed by a White Mage.

Most fights ended up with me sitting at roughly 130k healing done including bubbles, and around 70-80k healing done not including bubbles with most White Mages sitting at 30-50k healing done (One White Mage, I forget her name actually put up a respectable 77k healing done). These numbers were obtained using ffxiv-app and included healing done by Eos.

I'd point out that the nature of a pro-active healer is always going to make them have inflated numbers over a reactive healer. You're "sniping" heals before they ever show up for the WHM to heal, so you'll almost always come out ahead.

Also, you'll never give a second thought to firing off an Embrace w/ your Fairy. A WHM will hold his heals to make sure he's not over-healing.

The end result isn't quite as reflective of the power of the healers as you might think.

[Scerick]

I'd point out that the nature of a pro-active healer is always going to make them have inflated numbers over a reactive healer. You're "sniping" heals before they ever show up for the WHM to heal, so you'll almost always come out ahead.

Also, you'll never give a second thought to firing off an Embrace w/ your Fairy. A WHM will hold his heals to make sure he's not over-healing.

The end result isn't quite as reflective of the power of the healers as you might think.

Except I still out heal WHM's every time even when not factoring in bubbles. So your "argument" is invalid. I've been able to keep the group alive solo and res our dead White Mage many times with little incident in Ifrit hard mode.

sustained healing is powerful on parsers but does it really matter more than burst heals? No, it doesn't and I said that earlier in the thread already. It depends on the fight and if you can't get your tank to recover from a big hit fast and he ends up dying no amount of overall healing during a fight can save the day.

1) Bubbles aren't over-healing.
2) Scholars have very little over-healing - it's WHM's with the double regens that often tick with people at full health.

Thus, the "overall healing" isn't just getting stacked with little effect on the actual healing being done like you're inferring.

3) I can bring a tank back from near death just like a WHM can. 3x Lustrate (off GCD) + 1 Adloq will bring anyone to full with little issue. Oh an my Faerie healed the tank during that little mishap too.

The entire point of a Scholar is to not let yourself get behind on healing, by using your bubbles correctly, and to say that we can't recover from that is just silly and illustrates you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to healing.

WHM can out heal us on burst AoE - The end.

[Draemos]

Except I still out heal WHM's every time even when not factoring in bubbles. So your "argument" is invalid. I've been able to keep the group alive solo and res our dead White Mage many times with little incident in Ifrit hard mode.

Um, no. You fire off your heals before a WHM ever would because they have less potency and you don't have to worry about the overheal.

For instance, you'll fire off an Adloquium at a ~500 health deficit. A WHM would wait til the same target has a 1000+ deficit. You also can feel more at ease using that Adloquium in a multi-healer environment because there s less chance that heal ends up being wasted when multiple healers are topping off targets.

Of course the big thing is the fairy. A no resource embrace that anyone worth a nickel will be spamming endlessly regardless of overheal.

[Scerick]

Um, no. You fire off your heals before a WHM ever would because they have less potency and you don't have to worry about the overheal.

For instance, you'll fire off an Adloquium at a ~500 health deficit. A WHM would wait til the same target has a 1000+ deficit.

Where in your thought process do you not realize that bubble heals are more effective than reactive heals? Have you ever healed any competitive progression raiding? That Adloquium has the same effective healing as the WHM heal (way more effectiveness if it crits), but gave the tank an effective +500 HP. Those are also using your numbers, my Adloq heals for ~700 consistently giving me a ~1400hp heal non crit.

I can maintain higher HPS for much longer than a WHM, prevent them from healing with my own heals, give myself multiple buffers through the reduced damage Scholars receive, and have 3 on demand instant off-gcd heals for the tank if there is a moment where I get slightly behind.

Please illustrate where I am "not as powerful as I might think", because all you've done this far is inadvertently prove why Scholars are just as good as WHM's twice now.

Also Math: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post1132114

Since you obviously didn't read all of the posts in this thread.

[Draemos]

Where in your thought process do you not realize that bubble heals are more effective than reactive heals? Have you ever healed any competitive progression raiding? Blah blah epeen

Are you dumb or obstinate? I'm not saying your not powerful or that the WHM is more powerful, I'm saying utilizing a parse to showcase why how your healing far more than a reactive healer like the WHM is STUPID because of the nature of the classes and how they utilize their spells.

You also left WHMs regen ff your little math thread. If a WHM rolls regen on two targets it matches the output of a fairies embrace.

[Waliel]

I wouldn't actually be surprised if fairies' heals were nerfed.

It gives you a 30% increase to your spell speed stat. It's about 110~ based off lvl 50 stats. It's not huge, but 8 players alternating with an extra 110~ spell/skill speed is nice.

-0.1 GCD on a 50% uptime is absolutely horrible compared to what Eos can do.

[Rainsford]

-0.1 GCD on a 50% uptime is absolutely horrible compared to what Eos can do.

I'm obviously talking about a situation where you don't need the heals. -.1 isn't huge, but if you have 2-3 BLM in the party, the extra DPS will become noticeable.