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[-Snow]

So question I just got blizzard 3 should I be using blizz 3 and fire 3 to move between UI and AF? Instead of transpose? Since both spells put me into UI 2 and AF 2 straight away.

Yes, with 3 Stacks UI/AF (lvl 40) you also get an 50% casttime boost for the next fire/ice spell. (UI for fire/AF for ice)

So you can switch pretty fast between AF and UI with Fire3/Blizz3. (+ some extra damage)

Tip: with some good timing (or button smashing :P) you can have 2! fire spells with 50% decreased casttime.

[Ilion]

Has anyone actually done the math?

[FadedPenguin]

My question is pretty simple but i cant seem to find an answer so im hoping someone here can help me out. I've noticed firestarter procs dont seem to pop up until fire hits the target. I usually find myself half way through another fire cast at this point. So my question is: do i interrupt my cast to use the proc? or just finish the fire im casting? I'm guessing i should always burn the proc in hopes of getting another one, but would like some input from others. Thanks in advance.

[mpetason]

My question is pretty simple but i cant seem to find an answer so im hoping someone here can help me out. I've noticed firestarter procs dont seem to pop up until fire hits the target. I usually find myself half way through another fire cast at this point. So my question is: do i interrupt my cast to use the proc? or just finish the fire im casting? I'm guessing i should always burn the proc in hopes of getting another one, but would like some input from others. Thanks in advance.

Apparently it's when it connects. I usually end up using it after the next cast since you are about halfway in when you get the proc. Either they need to change it to on cast completion it procs, or allow it to stack instead of having travel time + hitting the target before you know you have it. Finish your cast, use the proc, and I guess accept that you will sometimes miss the chance to use every proc.

[mpetason]

Tell me what you think

Some of the theorycrafting is saying use Thunder 2 since it is a faster cast and 3 doesn't give enough of a benefit to warrant the cast time, then use thundercloud procs for Thunder 3.

Also, It felt a lot like the transpose way where you get pushed into Umbral I gave just as much regen as getting umbral 3, you could even consider:

Blizzard 1 > Thunder 2 > swiftcast > Fire 3 > Fire 1 > procs/blah > Blizzard 1.

If you bet on getting at least 1 firestarter proc per rotation you could then save it for pushing back into Astral 3 after the umbral period. Say you get Firestarter with 2 Fire I casts left, save it, finish the Fire 1 > Blizzard 1 > Thunder 2 > Firestarter Fire 3.

I guess the biggest benefit of Blizzard 3 over 1 is that you get the cast time buff for the next Fire 3, but blizzard 1 is so cheap that you can make errors on MP with fire 1 and not get punished as much.

[FadedPenguin]

Apparently it's when it connects. I usually end up using it after the next cast since you are about halfway in when you get the proc. Either they need to change it to on cast completion it procs, or allow it to stack instead of having travel time + hitting the target before you know you have it. Finish your cast, use the proc, and I guess accept that you will sometimes miss the chance to use every proc.

Thanks for the fast response. That is what i had been doing and i guess ill just continue with it for now. I really do hope they do something about it though.

[mpetason]

Thanks for the fast response. That is what i had been doing and i guess ill just continue with it for now. I really do hope they do something about it though.

Keep in mind this happens with the Astral III and Umbral III buffs as well. I'm not sure if it does with the damage associated with it, but it does for the cast time.

You can tell this when you cast Blizzard 3, then immediately queue up Fire 3, the cast time is not decreased, you have to wait for it to connect then see the buff show up on your auras then cast fire 3. The Auras don't seem to change until the spell connects.

[SzaaKarna]

anyone tested on training dummy? I would but I'm at work - seems like an easy question to put to rest for rotation dmg

[LetBloodline]

Some of the theorycrafting is saying use Thunder 2 since it is a faster cast and 3 doesn't give enough of a benefit to warrant the cast time, then use thundercloud procs for Thunder 3.

Also, It felt a lot like the transpose way where you get pushed into Umbral I gave just as much regen as getting umbral 3, you could even consider:

Blizzard 1 > Thunder 2 > swiftcast > Fire 3 > Fire 1 > procs/blah > Blizzard 1.

If you bet on getting at least 1 firestarter proc per rotation you could then save it for pushing back into Astral 3 after the umbral period. Say you get Firestarter with 2 Fire I casts left, save it, finish the Fire 1 > Blizzard 1 > Thunder 2 > Firestarter Fire 3.

I guess the biggest benefit of Blizzard 3 over 1 is that you get the cast time buff for the next Fire 3, but blizzard 1 is so cheap that you can make errors on MP with fire 1 and not get punished as much.

How can you do that rotation? You missed to report a transpose before blizzard 1? Keep in mind that blizzard 3 while in astral 3 is like 80 mp? For 1,5 sec cast. And then time to cast thunder3 plus fire 3 (1,5sec cast) and you are full mana and ready for new fire cycle. If i mess up mana cycle i use convert, golden ability for those times. I feel that transpose, blizzard 1 thunder and fire 3 with no cast cooldown is way way longher.

Also with thunder 3 after blizzard 3 i get to end the cast of fire 3 right after the mp regen tic that make me full mana, so i don't get why i should want a shorter cooldown. Blizzard 3 > thunder 3 > fire 3 is exactly the time i need to get full mana, if i use thunder 2 i cast fire 3 too early and can't start fire cycle at full mana. Why this seems to be that different compared to other that want thunder 2?

[Coephoros]

You really shouldn't swiftcast Fire3 while in umbral. You are already constrained by the GCD, and you lose your ability to sneak in an extra Fire before the Astral buff kicks in.

One other note: as above poster points out, one T3 while under Umbral 3 is usually enough time to regen to full. But if you time it correctly, you can fire off Fire3 and recover full mana before it lands. Not much, but somes enough to add another fire at the end of your rotation, or immediate T3 after switching to Umbral.