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  1. #61
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    sharazisspecial's Avatar
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    Bunny Boo
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    Excalibur
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    Conjurer Lv 60
    But whm excells at everything sch does expect for being mana efficient in long fights. Brd cures that , a hardmode pt will have a brd.

    Whm can shield and place regens on people,
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    Last edited by sharazisspecial; 09-02-2013 at 10:11 AM.

  2. #62
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    Maku Haikasu
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    One thing that SCH can do that WHM can not is move and heal at the same time. Especially in Brayflox being able to move out of the poison he spits at me but still have my fairy to heal the tank has been a huge saver. Also, in Brayflox being put into a Queer Bubble and still having the fairy to heal is really nice.
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  3. #63
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    Adellyna Adel
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    Gilgamesh
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    SCH isnt preempitive healing like most people think. That was what I thought at first but then realized the shield requires target be at HP loss to begin with - so its actually a more costly version of a mediocre heal (300). Frankly, its no better than a strong HoT, which WHM already has. I prefer a straight HP restore for more mana rather than this weird HP+Shield since HP doesnt expires after awhile like shields (so its does not become useless outside constant damage scenario).

    Pet sounds wonderful at first, but then SE decides to put an annoying restriction on pet microing, so I cant tell my pet what to during casting time.

    10% damage reduction is okaysh, although it costs me my aether resource.

    So the only saving grace for the class is the ability to heal on the move with added burden of managin pet to avoid aoe.

    tell me what I left out. At the moment the class has potential but it can never be on equal ground as WHM with these restrictions in place, let alone surpass it.
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    Last edited by kronpas; 09-02-2013 at 01:34 PM.

  4. #64
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    SoopaMan2K's Avatar
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    Lynx O'
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    Ultros
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    Archer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Spider-Dan View Post
    MRD, LNC, and ARC all have 5 cross-classable abilities. CNJ would have 6 (Aero, Cure, Protect, Raise, Stoneskin, Cleric Stance) but for some reason, SE implemented an arbitrary, unique restriction on Cleric Stance that prevents THM/ACN/SMN from using it (when they should be able to, based on the rules of the Armoury system).

    And WHM has plenty of unique abilities. Medica? Stone? Regen? Divine Seal? Fluid Aura? Shroud of Saints? Presence of Mind? Benediction?
    Yeah, I have no idea why CS is not for SMR instead of SCH.
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  5. #65
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    Crescent Dusk
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    Arcanist Lv 80
    The problem with Scholar is that Succor sucks big time and embrace has too long a cooldown. Fix those two, and scholar will be fine.

    When WHM gains access to regen he just dwarfs the scholar in aoe healing because with medica II not only are you healing for more than Succor, but you are placing regen on everybody as well, which is much better than a 150 potency heal with a 150 shield.

    Adloquium could use a decrease in MP cost.
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  6. #66
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    Miyuyu's Avatar
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    Sae Ra'nori
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    Faerie
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    Ninja Lv 90
    You're actually wrong about Succor and Adloquium. In about two seconds I was able to disprove the idea that it only works at a health deficit. Feel free to test it yourself. I cast Succor on myself @ full health, got Adloquium, and let a mob hit me. I had a shield for 300-400 and absorbed basically that. You can most definitely pre-shield everyone if you so choose.. which you should choose to do when you can.

    You get a 90% dmg reduction ability that lasts for 15 seconds at the cost of 1 Aetherflow (and has a 20% chance to make your next succor cost no mana,) you get infinite mana essentially, and I assume there's one more thing that I don't have just yet.

    You're -really- underselling how powerful faerie healing is in conjunction w/ regular sch heals.
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  7. #67
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    Shon Totto
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    Excalibur
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    Thaumaturge Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Scerick View Post
    You can use "place" to move your pet onto the pad to dispell the Doom.

    The only way I've found to get around the Aurum problem right now is to use Swiftcast to get her back out and keep her alive with Sustain + Adloquium as long as possible. Then you need to try and consider if she's more of a liability or a help at that point. It's just a crap situation in general.

    But this is a separate issue from Scholars "not being competitive with WHM" and I agree it needs to be addressed by the dev team.
    I had no problems in AV, I just used Swiftcast+Summon only one time the entire fight when she had 5 stacks and was near death.

    I do think the AI or pet control in general needs quite a bit of tweaking.
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  8. #68
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    Vanilla'h Galaxyangel
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Miyuyu View Post
    You're actually wrong about Succor and Adloquium. In about two seconds I was able to disprove the idea that it only works at a health deficit. Feel free to test it yourself. I cast Succor on myself @ full health, got Adloquium, and let a mob hit me. I had a shield for 300-400 and absorbed basically that. You can most definitely pre-shield everyone if you so choose.. which you should choose to do when you can.

    You get a 90% dmg reduction ability that lasts for 15 seconds at the cost of 1 Aetherflow (and has a 20% chance to make your next succor cost no mana,) you get infinite mana essentially, and I assume there's one more thing that I don't have just yet.

    You're -really- underselling how powerful faerie healing is in conjunction w/ regular sch heals.
    um sacred soil is 10% damage reduction not 90%. 90% would be so OP HM Primals would be a breeze.
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  9. #69
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    Sae Ra'nori
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    Ninja Lv 90
    Ah, it's worded funny. I retract that statement. That said, it's still an easy 10% DR for very little cost. Still super powerful.
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  10. #70
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    Conjurer Lv 60
    Succor should do increased healing on targets who already have a shield effect on them . Maybe aqualoium too though its less needed because sch's shortfall is aoe healing people from low life. This would improve 2 sch pts which are at a weakness compared to 2 whm. since sch barrier dont stack or get topped off(says no effect) where as 2 whm can stack medica2 and regen.
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    Last edited by sharazisspecial; 09-03-2013 at 01:30 PM.

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