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    Player
    Arale's Avatar
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    Aylaine Gray
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    Midgardsormr
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    White Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Draemos View Post
    You left out that SCH have higher single target throughput, significantly cheaper overall healing because a large portion of the overhead is pushed off on the Fairy, and much better mana regeneration mechanics. They also don't waste Crit heals on overhead the way a WHM does,

    SCH are not better AoE healers, and don't have a sleep... That's pretty much it.
    I have yet to see a scholar healing more then I do. It's usually a bit less in fact. I was under the impression that they had better aoe heals, but WHM's were better at pure healing prowess on single targets. Also, while having some healing pushed off to the fairy is a good thing, it can also be a bad thing due to pet AI/management. I would rather be in control of all aspects of my healing for example, to make decisions as needed. SCH does have better mana regeneration abilities, but I don't mind SoS. If I use regen effectively and cure, I never run out of mana anyways.
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    Crescent_Dusk's Avatar
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    Crescent Dusk
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    Exodus
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    Arcanist Lv 80
    The problem with Scholar is that Succor sucks big time and embrace has too long a cooldown. Fix those two, and scholar will be fine.

    When WHM gains access to regen he just dwarfs the scholar in aoe healing because with medica II not only are you healing for more than Succor, but you are placing regen on everybody as well, which is much better than a 150 potency heal with a 150 shield.

    Adloquium could use a decrease in MP cost.
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    Miyuyu's Avatar
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    Sae Ra'nori
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    Faerie
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    Ninja Lv 90
    You're actually wrong about Succor and Adloquium. In about two seconds I was able to disprove the idea that it only works at a health deficit. Feel free to test it yourself. I cast Succor on myself @ full health, got Adloquium, and let a mob hit me. I had a shield for 300-400 and absorbed basically that. You can most definitely pre-shield everyone if you so choose.. which you should choose to do when you can.

    You get a 90% dmg reduction ability that lasts for 15 seconds at the cost of 1 Aetherflow (and has a 20% chance to make your next succor cost no mana,) you get infinite mana essentially, and I assume there's one more thing that I don't have just yet.

    You're -really- underselling how powerful faerie healing is in conjunction w/ regular sch heals.
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    Vanilla'h Galaxyangel
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    Moogle
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Miyuyu View Post
    You're actually wrong about Succor and Adloquium. In about two seconds I was able to disprove the idea that it only works at a health deficit. Feel free to test it yourself. I cast Succor on myself @ full health, got Adloquium, and let a mob hit me. I had a shield for 300-400 and absorbed basically that. You can most definitely pre-shield everyone if you so choose.. which you should choose to do when you can.

    You get a 90% dmg reduction ability that lasts for 15 seconds at the cost of 1 Aetherflow (and has a 20% chance to make your next succor cost no mana,) you get infinite mana essentially, and I assume there's one more thing that I don't have just yet.

    You're -really- underselling how powerful faerie healing is in conjunction w/ regular sch heals.
    um sacred soil is 10% damage reduction not 90%. 90% would be so OP HM Primals would be a breeze.
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    Sae Ra'nori
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    Faerie
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    Ninja Lv 90
    Ah, it's worded funny. I retract that statement. That said, it's still an easy 10% DR for very little cost. Still super powerful.
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    Bunny Boo
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    Excalibur
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    Conjurer Lv 60
    Succor should do increased healing on targets who already have a shield effect on them . Maybe aqualoium too though its less needed because sch's shortfall is aoe healing people from low life. This would improve 2 sch pts which are at a weakness compared to 2 whm. since sch barrier dont stack or get topped off(says no effect) where as 2 whm can stack medica2 and regen.
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    Last edited by sharazisspecial; 09-03-2013 at 01:30 PM.

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    Snuggles Unicorn
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    Diabolos
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    Not sure what the complaint is. SCH has its shortfalls, but there's a lot to like. Adloquium's shield basically gives you a free GCD after every cast, and a crit Adloquium is the equivalent of a 1350 heal (with 900 of that being the shield). That leaves lots of GCD's to throw out Eye for an Eye, Virus, Sacred Soil, Stoneskin, etc.

    For the faerie, make sure you put Embrace on your hotbar so you can spam it if you need to. Rouse + Embrace spam with Fey Illumination up is the equivalent of spamming Physick, and the occasional Adloquium for the shield gives a SCH a lot of GCD's to play around with.

    Also, things that people are overlooking is the fact that Selene is actually pretty useful for support, especially on trash. The Haste buffs are the equivalent of around 100 spell/skill speed at level 50, and using her to manually heal can free you up to DPS.
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    Im Yoona
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    Cerberus
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    Honestly the main buffs I think Scholars need are just bug fixes/QoL changes to the pet.

    1. You should be able to give commands to your fairy while your casting. Two main situations in which you need this. The first one being you're channeling a spell and a telegraph appears under your fairy and she takes a lot of damage, this wouldn't be a problem if you could just command it to move while you yourself are channeling a spell. And 2 you're healing the tank and your DPS gets hit by a spell you should be able to tell your fairy to heal that dps in that situation while you're already channeling.

    2. Make steady stance actually stay on steady. You should be able to have complete control over what your fairy does. Because of this I feel like Scholar's AoE healing is kinda weak because my fairy decides to use Whispering Dawn on CD everytime when people have full health. Same with the magic def buff and skill/spell speed buffs.
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    Valiant Lightsworn
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    Lamia
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    Conjurer Lv 90
    no but pet ai needs to be reworked... i have healed several dungeons and the same thing everytime... me and the faerie take prority for healing... even if we only lost 5% health.. and numerous times the faerie wont heal the tank on her own til s/he is down to 60-75% health... all i have to say is why wait so long for party members when the faerie and i are healed at such a large percentage? I would like to set up the ai myself... Would work as 1) Heal all players in or out of party (yes out of party too since i have a feeling it wont touch raid members) below 100% health with the lowest in health as priority. It's only fair if the faerie does that to herself or me. Don't forget if I am casting I can't control my pet.
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    Techno Logic
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    Ragnarok
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    I think scholars are in a really good position. No mana problems for days. Just want to be able to move my pet while casting, that's really my only real gripe.
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