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  1. #71
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    Draemos's Avatar
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    Chaste Draconnis
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    Exodus
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by sharazisspecial View Post
    Cure 2 + regen heals near that amount, without the clunky pet.

    There also the fact that barrier is wasted when you cast another heal.

    Last I checked a WHMs Regen cost MP, and Fairy heals don't. It also costs the WHM two GCDs to accomplish what you did in one.
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  2. #72
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    Snuggles Unicorn
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    Diabolos
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    Not sure what the complaint is. SCH has its shortfalls, but there's a lot to like. Adloquium's shield basically gives you a free GCD after every cast, and a crit Adloquium is the equivalent of a 1350 heal (with 900 of that being the shield). That leaves lots of GCD's to throw out Eye for an Eye, Virus, Sacred Soil, Stoneskin, etc.

    For the faerie, make sure you put Embrace on your hotbar so you can spam it if you need to. Rouse + Embrace spam with Fey Illumination up is the equivalent of spamming Physick, and the occasional Adloquium for the shield gives a SCH a lot of GCD's to play around with.

    Also, things that people are overlooking is the fact that Selene is actually pretty useful for support, especially on trash. The Haste buffs are the equivalent of around 100 spell/skill speed at level 50, and using her to manually heal can free you up to DPS.
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  3. #73
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    Draemos's Avatar
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    Chaste Draconnis
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by kronpas View Post
    SCH isnt preempitive healing like most people think.

    So the only saving grace for the class is the ability to heal on the move with added burden of managin pet to avoid aoe.

    tell me what I left out. At the moment the class has potential but it can never be on equal ground as WHM with these restrictions in place, let alone surpass it.
    a WHM will wait for say a 1000 HP deficit to cast a cure II, a SCH can pop adloquium at 500 and be just as effective. You are proactively casting a heal for damage that hasn't been done yet. There are TONS of healing scenarios in this game where that is very useful, Garuda for instance.

    You left out that SCH have higher single target throughput, significantly cheaper overall healing because a large portion of the overhead is pushed off on the Fairy, and much better mana regeneration mechanics. They also don't waste Crit heals on overhead the way a WHM does,

    SCH are not better AoE healers, and don't have a sleep... That's pretty much it.
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  4. #74
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    Im Yoona
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    Cerberus
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    Honestly the main buffs I think Scholars need are just bug fixes/QoL changes to the pet.

    1. You should be able to give commands to your fairy while your casting. Two main situations in which you need this. The first one being you're channeling a spell and a telegraph appears under your fairy and she takes a lot of damage, this wouldn't be a problem if you could just command it to move while you yourself are channeling a spell. And 2 you're healing the tank and your DPS gets hit by a spell you should be able to tell your fairy to heal that dps in that situation while you're already channeling.

    2. Make steady stance actually stay on steady. You should be able to have complete control over what your fairy does. Because of this I feel like Scholar's AoE healing is kinda weak because my fairy decides to use Whispering Dawn on CD everytime when people have full health. Same with the magic def buff and skill/spell speed buffs.
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  5. #75
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    Valiant's Avatar
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    Valiant Lightsworn
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    Lamia
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    Conjurer Lv 90
    no but pet ai needs to be reworked... i have healed several dungeons and the same thing everytime... me and the faerie take prority for healing... even if we only lost 5% health.. and numerous times the faerie wont heal the tank on her own til s/he is down to 60-75% health... all i have to say is why wait so long for party members when the faerie and i are healed at such a large percentage? I would like to set up the ai myself... Would work as 1) Heal all players in or out of party (yes out of party too since i have a feeling it wont touch raid members) below 100% health with the lowest in health as priority. It's only fair if the faerie does that to herself or me. Don't forget if I am casting I can't control my pet.
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  6. #76
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    Techno's Avatar
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    Techno Logic
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    Ragnarok
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    I think scholars are in a really good position. No mana problems for days. Just want to be able to move my pet while casting, that's really my only real gripe.
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  7. #77
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    Valiant Lightsworn
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    Lamia
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    Conjurer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Pyros View Post
    I don't know, WHM might be easier, but if there's no trouble to clear single healer content with a SCH, does it matter?
    have you ever played an RPG with TRUE AI control? If not than you don't realize we are UNABLE to control how our faeries heal to an entirety, only a small fraction. It sucks when the faerie and scholar get priority for faerie heals when the party has less health than you. Take games like Star Ocean or any "Tales" game, all the AI can be controlled according to the players desires/play style. When i can set heals the way i want... such as "Heal lowest % of health first" , "Heal all players in and/or out of party (i feel with current AI it won't touch raid members) below 100, 75, or 50% health" and even alter how they use non-healing abilites. "Use **** only when players are at 25, 50, 75% health or lower" the ACN will be perfect. Our heals are fine I agree but AI needs to be worked on
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    Last edited by Valiant; 09-17-2013 at 03:55 AM.

  8. #78
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    Valiant Lightsworn
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    Lamia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miyuyu View Post
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    preemptive heals arent always better. they are situational. I find i heal so much better on my whm on most bosses than my scholar in the same instance yet on trash my scholar is better. only cause of the boost in aoe healing. i can't see it as viable as a whm for boss battles. especially tank healing. i dont like what they did to cure 3 or benediction but i won't cry about it, and say SCH is better. they are situational from what i have seen and i believe they will remain that way. Yes SCH does need change and to AI control.. having to waste an extra second or 2 before each heal for my faerie is a waste of time. I know i went off on a tangent but to comparesch to what you said if im popping shields you have to realize unless i crit they are not worth much. 150 health shield is easily burned through on large pull and boss battles. I'd rather just have a larger single and/or aoe heal than a shield thats easily burned through. once again highly situational.
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    Last edited by Valiant; 09-04-2013 at 03:33 AM.

  9. #79
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    Aylaine Gray
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    Midgardsormr
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    White Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Draemos View Post
    You left out that SCH have higher single target throughput, significantly cheaper overall healing because a large portion of the overhead is pushed off on the Fairy, and much better mana regeneration mechanics. They also don't waste Crit heals on overhead the way a WHM does,

    SCH are not better AoE healers, and don't have a sleep... That's pretty much it.
    I have yet to see a scholar healing more then I do. It's usually a bit less in fact. I was under the impression that they had better aoe heals, but WHM's were better at pure healing prowess on single targets. Also, while having some healing pushed off to the fairy is a good thing, it can also be a bad thing due to pet AI/management. I would rather be in control of all aspects of my healing for example, to make decisions as needed. SCH does have better mana regeneration abilities, but I don't mind SoS. If I use regen effectively and cure, I never run out of mana anyways.
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  10. #80
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    Natsu Sousuke
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    Tonberry
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    IMO, the only changes that needs to be made to SCH interms of healing is as below:-

    1. Eos (healing fairy) heal over time aoe should be in a lesser time frame but heals the same amount. CD of the skill should be lesser and the area of effect should be wider.

    2. Except the first healing spell (Embrace), the rest of the skills under fairy should be tuned to manual cast so that fairies don't waste it under stupid circumstances.

    3. Succor should cost slightly lesser but the healing potency remains.

    4. As for Leeches, since we are a DoT kinda class, i suggest that leeches will first remove one detrimental effect and then subsequent after 5 sec removes another. And while removes a detrimental effect, target is heal for a set of amount of hp.
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