I like the market wards

[RinL]

FFXI's AH was tedious, if you wanted a good deal you could be there for 30 mins bidding on one item, and lets not forget when you look at price history, it says the last price of somthing is 10k, you bid 10k, rejected, you bid 11k, rejected, you bid 15k rejected, etc etc, until you decide at say 50k that its way too expencive and decide against buying it.

Then you go back the next day to go through the same steps

Yea, the blind system everyone keeps talking about sounds awful >.> I would rather be able to see the cost of an item and pay that price should I decide its fair. That kind of a system just seems kind of backwards to me.

[Chezen]

You're idea isn't bad RinL. Maybe a slightly higher tax could be put in for the "instant" service as opposed to using the wards.

However, it doesn't solve the crashing issue.

[RinL]

You're idea isn't bad RinL. Maybe a slightly higher tax could be put in for the "instant" service as opposed to using the wards.

However, it doesn't solve the crashing issue.

I can see a tax system being put in place for the convenience, good idea Chezen.

As for the crashing, yea that would be something that will need to be addressed no matter what changes take place. As soon as they can fix that though, I think we will be in the clear for a change like the ones we have talked about here to be put in the game!

[ObeiKinstar]

We need an AH because I want to instantly get everything. I don't have time to do anything in this game so instead of playing it I just want everything instantly handed to me

Btw I'm also in favor of nerfing all mobs including already nerfed NM's so I can solo at r25

Actually just have me log on with instant r50 on every job!

Oh wait now I dont have anything to do...

Come on SE... wheres all my end game content... wth?

[RinL]

We need an AH because I want to instantly get everything. I don't have time to do anything in this game so instead of playing it I just want everything instantly handed to me

Btw I'm also in favor of nerfing all mobs including already nerfed NM's so I can solo at r25

Actually just have me log on with instant r50 on every job!

Oh wait now I dont have anything to do...

Come on SE... wheres all my end game content... wth?

So, instead of replying with sarcastic remarks why don't you try and put together a list of what you think market wards have over an auction system?

Better yet, take a look at my suggestion on post #66 and tell me why that would make things so 'ez mode'? I'm honestly curious to see why anyone would be against an idea like that considering it would save a lot of time for everyone involved.

[ObeiKinstar]

So, instead of replying with sarcastic remarks why don't you try and put together a list of what you think market wards have over an auction system?

Better yet, take a look at my suggestion on post #66 and tell me why that would make things so 'ez mode'? I'm honestly curious to see why anyone would be against an idea like that considering it would save a lot of time for everyone involved.

lol, I know this post didnt help anything, Im just being silly

I just get so tired of everyone complaining about everything. (Im not excluding myself here)


Anyway I'm happy with Market wards, they do need improvements, and theres a lot of good ideas in here.

[RinL]

lol, I know this post didnt help anything, Im just being silly

I just get so tired of everyone complaining about everything. (Im not excluding myself here)


Anyway I'm happy with Market wards, they do need improvements, and theres a lot of good ideas in here.

gotcha, and I can understand where you are coming from. constant bickering can be draining, but what we have here so far has been mostly great constructive debate head on back if you happen to think up any good ways to improve the system!

[ObeiKinstar]

You dont have to search for the price, it tells you before you even enter the wards, who is selling what, and at what price. the npcs that have the item have a star, and thier dot is pink on the screen.
You also dont have to leave the ward your in to do another search, chances are, if your looking for a similar item, its also somewhere in the same ward you are in, since similar items are generally grouped together.

An instant buying system is convienent, but it has no potential for growth. Market wards do. Anyhow as i ve said multiple times, MW is better than ffxi AH, if they had market wards like this in ffxi, most people wouldnt use the AH, because its more expensive and there is a risk if your item isnt sold of losing the tax money. The only problem with bazaars was lack of search, they basically solved that. In fact last i saw, bazaar was overtaking AH for many items.

you dont see the value of Market wards because you are primarily a warrior/adventurer people with merchantile dreams and desires to play the market game have more possibilities and options with a market ward.

possibilities include
More retainer customization
advertising added
possible addition of Player shops
new and different market zones, (imagine a beach zone marketward)
new systems for setting up meetings (perhaps a bulletin board in your shop/retainer/counter saying a player will be around from this time to this time to do crafting requests, or repairs.

The market system right now, isnt that crazy, but it has the potential to be a powerful and immerssive system for economy, community, and a different type of advancement. Meanwhile AH is just AH, its basically the limit of what it can do.

I pretty much agree with Physic, in the fact that theres a lot of room for cool growth with markets, being a high lvl crafter myself with higher craft job than fight jobs, I love looking at the economy, I check the wards everyday, its the first thing I do. I spend a lot of time in the wards and because I do I make money, lots. I can see how not everyone would be that into the ward system and just want to get there items and get out and not care about getting the best deal or making money, etc. Thats what is good about RinL's idea.

Honestly, the more I think about the the more I like the idea of keeping the current retainer system and adding a central purchasing location. Something like what im about to list below would keep people on both sides of the fence happy, I would think

Keep the current retainer system as it is, nothing will be changed for those who want to continue to manually browse it.

Add a central purchasing 'location', be it a NPC or anything else. Basically give everyone a main menu they can access and use to see all the available items being posted by all retainers on the realm. This would tie the three current main cities together.

Let people use that central location to buyout items as they normally would through individual retainers. From that point you could have the item sent to your inventory, or (and this is what I would prefer) they could add a mail system or mog house for the items to be delivered through.

This system would give everyone a fast and easy way to effectively browse through all the items posted up by the retainer system. Players would be able to sort through to look for the best prices and make their purchases from there.

The sales portion of the system would work the same as it does now. Players post up items through their retainers, and pick up gold from sales in the same place. The 'central location' would simply be tied to all retainers.

The people who like to browse could still browse, and the people who want an easier way to do it would have it.

How does that sound? Are there any negative sides that I am not seeing? Is there *anything* bad about that idea that would harm the game or peoples gameplay at all?

I like the idea of a centralized buy station or desk or something, where you could browse same menu as MW but have an option for delivery and just add tax/delivery fee for conveinience. For items bought from other cities the tax/delivery fee will be more and take longer to arrive.

You could also setup delivery quests. Say someone purchased a robe from gridania to be delivered to their mailbox or whatever in Uldah, well next to the buy window there is a delivery window. When I purchase my robe say normal item delivery time from one town to the next is 60min (about one game day, also all these times are arbitrary and could be adjusted to whatever times work best). Well someone in gridania goes to delivery window and sees a robe needs transported to uldah, you are given one hour to complete quest in getting item to uldah or the quest ends and the item is automatically transported there, but if you succeed you claim tax/delivery fee + some sp, or whatever reward is worth it.

[RinL]

Thats what I was looking for, ObeiKinstar that was an excellent post. I had not thought of combining a type of quest/delivery system with this change, and im not sure how it would work out exactly, but that could be a great way to add a bit of side content at the same time.

Thanks for the post, and keep them coming! More and more topics on the front page are being replied to by the forum mods, so maybe we will get an update for this topic

[RinL]

Hello,

Just wanted to stop in and say that I started a suggestion thread with some of the information we have talked about in this topic. You can find it at http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Market-Wards!

Just wanted to let everyone here know since its related to this topic