Yoshida-san, Where's the Challenge? Where are the Real Changes? END GAME Content?

[SilvertearRen]

Not that I disagree with your notion of harder stuff being there. Why can't the beginning and middle of the game be a bit more challenging too. People who played XI were used to challenge all the time (or potential challenge, because someone effed up), compared to other mmos out at the time. During the initial leveling process challenge is harder to find, it does exist, but its rare. Some leves are harder and require more strategy, but after a while everyone does the same leves and knows where the danger lies. So whatever challenge was there is quickly erased with experience. Most mmos have this, I'll admit that too, and I'm not a game designer so I don't know how to get around this issue, but I did feel like in just normal ranking up, there should be a bit more challenge. I haven't tried guildleves with 8 man on 5 stars yet, so I won't make a judgement about its difficulty.

This is what Patch 1.17 was intended to address. We now have mid-range notorious monsters for a full party of Rank 25-35's to hunt. Nevermind the fact that they're being camped by R45+'s at the moment.

[Rentahamster]

Kallera just gave you a new challenge. GO DO IT.

And just what, praytell, makes you think that I and countless others haven't already done this very thing months ago??

http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...entry?e=171597

Kallera just gave you a new challenge. GO DO IT.

Seriously, are you stupid? This is a game that's being redeveloped. Redeveloped. Into a new, more proper iteration of an MMO.

Calling people stupid is hardly a good way to engender good will and promote healthy discussion. I realize that this game is being developed, and I support that. If you look at my posting history, you will see the various suggestions and critiques I have made, which can only come from me liking the game and putting lots of effort into it. However, this does not excuse them from the fact that the game was and still is, needing major improvement.

There's enough high end content for people to throw themselves at if they feel like being suicidal - has anyone ever successfully taken down a Rank 70 Fallen Captain? No? There's a challenge for you. Go do it. [/I][/B]

Yes they have. Countless people have. People have taken down rank 99 Rainbow Basilisks and rank 90 Goblin Headmans. Look at my character's history. I think you can take my word that I've done pretty much everything.

http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...cicuid=1555795

Has anyone ever taken down a Spinesnap Ogre with just one Gladiator and Thaumaturge? No? Go do it. Has anyone ever taken down a Garlean Behemoth? No? I dare you to go do it.

Don't be silly. A challenge isn't valid if it's impossible. It's also not valid since "Garlean Behemoths" don't exist, lol.


Just because I can kill a bunch of monsters way above my rank, doesn't mean that that is good game design. Sure, I can kill rank 70 mobs for fun (and I have), but what's the point? What the heck am I gonna do with these Goobue Skins and these Red Crab Shells? There's no content to support my "made up content".

[Gracious]

And just what, praytell, makes you think that I and countless others haven't already done this very thing months ago??

http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...entry?e=171597


Calling people stupid is hardly a good way to engender good will and promote healthy discussion. I realize that this game is being developed, and I support that. If you look at my posting history, you will see the various suggestions and critiques I have made, which can only come from me liking the game and putting lots of effort into it. However, this does not excuse them from the fact that the game was and still is, needing major improvement.


Yes they have. Countless people have. People have taken down rank 99 Rainbow Basilisks and rank 90 Goblin Headmans. Look at my character's history. I think you can take my word that I've done pretty much everything.

http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...cicuid=1555795



Don't be silly. A challenge isn't valid if it's impossible. It's also not valid since "Garlean Behemoths" don't exist, lol.


Just because I can kill a bunch of monsters way above my rank, doesn't mean that that is good game design. Sure, I can kill rank 70 mobs for fun (and I have), but what's the point? What the heck am I gonna do with these Goobue Skins and these Red Crab Shells? There's no content to support my "made up content".

Well said! I agree completely.

[darkstarpoet1]

ya know it's funny that the same people that ask for patience out of this joke/team are the same people that wanted to burn tanaka at the stake instead of letting his group work on the content this game was advertised having.

i heard go try this or that with a group of r20's if you want challenge.........that's not challenge......that's taking steps backwards from where you have advanced. challenge to us means trying to test your strengths and weaknesses against the strongest competition not dropping down to you 5th or 6th r20 class to fight a mob that you have been beating since r15 on your first class.

[Anonymoose]

I'm gonna keep saying it until these posts wane a bit - STOP IT WITH THE ENDGAME BS. The level cap is 50. You couldn't join an endgame shell at 50 in FFXI. You weren't even allowed in the damn DOOR of Dynamis until 65. Take a chill pill, there, Scrappy Doo. We've got plenty of time. Let's, you know, get the game working or something first.

[Kallera]

So now you come back here and complain, You want the dangly carrot now! Where is my prize?

Knowing, that they are testing and reworking this game from the ground up.

also knowing, That you're going to be in this exact same spot with the next patch that comes out,

There is no prize and they are working on updating towards the ending that will only be a teaser for more things to come, you knew this going in, and if you've ever played an MMO before, you knew this going out as well.

If I could dangle a nice new acton for you to get with all the numbers to make you salivate, I would.
If I could give you a Purple Yoshi as a mount, I would. (must be saving for the horsebirds...)
If I could shake my platinum keys to the moon in front of you...I wouldn't.(They're platinum keys....)

But this is what happens when you blast through the game, regarding only one part of the content as valuable mind you. Leaving you in the same rut as you were when you played many other MMOs before. waiting for the next patch to arrive in all your shiny gear.

How is the shiny acton going to affect crafters? How many gathering points in that leveled area? how will the fighters benefit the other players in their forays into these new areas? is this going to affect class balance?

I suppose its too much for anyone to ask you to be patient, when it is what we said on the polls. they need to have something for you to keep paying, and you refuse to provide, because you want to beat the game NOW! you want it NOW! cause you want to start paying at max lvl, doing repeat killing runs on the Garlean Emperor and whatever Gods, Goddesses, and Moogles may be backing him, Let the trees in the Black Shroud be the only things that live! (And not those walking ones, either...), because you want the cutscene what dance around, with the shiny acton +1 bearing the head of Halone!, or the magical item to make it +2, and you want it NOW! Because there's nothing else that needs enjoying, only to inevitable rush to Tri-Ace-style HP, damage and nigh world ending destruction! But no timesinks, oh no, that would be just be bad dev work...

When Yoshida starts sending warnings about subscriptions, come back and play the game then. I can imagine the result though, 13 dollars have felled many an experienced adventurer.

[darkstarpoet1]

I'm gonna keep saying it until these posts wane a bit - STOP IT WITH THE ENDGAME BS. The level cap is 50. You couldn't join an endgame shell at 50 in FFXI. You weren't even allowed in the damn DOOR of Dynamis until 65. Take a chill pill, there, Scrappy Doo. We've got plenty of time. Let's, you know, get the game working or something first.

just because i know you and you know this is not really how i feel......i want endgame now for r50 fishermans.

i am not speaking for anyone other than myself when i say this, but i am not asking for endgame items or dungeons. i am asking that we get some minor additions to make all groups of people happy for a while until they have a next set of content to be released. these nm's(that they just nerfed to jokes) were the only content you had for the higher level characters to group up on. that is now gone and instead of anything for that group we see 20 nm's introduced for low end and absolutely nothing added for us and had the only thing we had to do nerfed. i am not asking for any sort of dynamis, but at least leave some nm's that are a challenge that we can enjoy. if you add 20 nm's a few of those should have went to that group with the majority going to the mid level group.

[Anonymoose]

LOL Poet. Speedfishing for Giant Donkos - Reward: Aegis. GO GO GO.

We've already been told there's dungeons/raids on the way, so idk what else people are asking for here. Endgame starts at 75. We don't even have a freakin' JEUNO yet. Let's enjoy whatever these raid/dungeon things are for a little bit. They sound like a mix between Assault/BCNM while the companies sound like a mini campaign. I could be wrong, but -- is that not enough to sate you until 75 when you can come back here and demand endgame with some kind of logical high ground?

[Shikyo]

It has been stated that we can expect some sort of end game raid/dungeon during spring. So prior to June 21st, we should have something.

I'd like to point out to you though, that even though you may not have patience to wait, the vast majority of the playerbase voted that they were willing to wait, so I think the assumption that FF is losing players at this point is kinda played out. Anyone who would have quit and not come back, has already done so. Anyone who wants to come back when the game is complete, is waiting while patch notes are released every month to see what the game has to offer. Those of us here? Well, we know what we're doing. We're getting a jump on everybody who joins once the game reaches industry standards.

And to be honest, purely from a business standpoint, I highly doubt they care either way whether or not any of the current playerbase quits or stays.

I would hope they care about each and everyone of there fans O.o; and i agree that the battle content changes auto-attack ectect as well as the class/armory system changes needed to come time is of the essence.
I am still playing but i do not play much DOW/M because i hope that they will change the fundamentals of battle gameplay and add final fantasy classes.
Dont get me wrong I love certain parts of the game, they force fed crafting down everyones throats in xiv by making it freakin the majority of the game so i learned to actually like it, but w/o a fun battle system with the classic final fantasy classes i love like samurai! ninja ranger smn war pld ect idk how long i can stay on this train.

[Shikyo]

So now you come back here and complain, You want the dangly carrot now! Where is my prize?

Knowing, that they are testing and reworking this game from the ground up.

also knowing, That you're going to be in this exact same spot with the next patch that comes out,

There is no prize and they are working on updating towards the ending that will only be a teaser for more things to come, you knew this going in, and if you've ever played an MMO before, you knew this going out as well.

If I could dangle a nice new acton for you to get with all the numbers to make you salivate, I would.
If I could give you a Purple Yoshi as a mount, I would. (must be saving for the horsebirds...)
If I could shake my platinum keys to the moon in front of you...I wouldn't.(They're platinum keys....)

But this is what happens when you blast through the game, regarding only one part of the content as valuable mind you. Leaving you in the same rut as you were when you played many other MMOs before. waiting for the next patch to arrive in all your shiny gear.

How is the shiny acton going to affect crafters? How many gathering points in that leveled area? how will the fighters benefit the other players in their forays into these new areas? is this going to affect class balance?

I suppose its too much for anyone to ask you to be patient, when it is what we said on the polls. they need to have something for you to keep paying, and you refuse to provide, because you want to beat the game NOW! you want it NOW! cause you want to start paying at max lvl, doing repeat killing runs on the Garlean Emperor and whatever Gods, Goddesses, and Moogles may be backing him, Let the trees in the Black Shroud be the only things that live! (And not those walking ones, either...), because you want the cutscene what dance around, with the shiny acton +1 bearing the head of Halone!, or the magical item to make it +2, and you want it NOW! Because there's nothing else that needs enjoying, only to inevitable rush to Tri-Ace-style HP, damage and nigh world ending destruction! But no timesinks, oh no, that would be just be bad dev work...

When Yoshida starts sending warnings about subscriptions, come back and play the game then. I can imagine the result though, 13 dollars have felled many an experienced adventurer.

Lmfao we are not anywhere near seeing a get ready to start back payng warning.
Not one major change has been made so u wont see that for at least another year.

If they make the game worth paying for next month then I for one would gladly pay!
14$ only seems big atm because the game isnt fun, and all the "be excited new big stuff coming soon" is not exactly a very promising statement, until they actually make a REAL change i mean just ONE!

I think all it would take is ONE REAL CHANGE and they would shut alot of ppl up.

I would be like ok thats it right there thats what i wanted to see ok i'm down to see this through the rough times we're having because they have proved that they are trying to make this relationship work =P

Actions speak louder than words, thruth is proof ect, I know its early but i think what some of the stuff being said that these XIV fanatics are getting pissed at and saying ppl are whining about is a misunderstanding.

I think what some are saying is, nothing has been shown or proved yet and until that one change is made ppl will continue to "whine" and you ppl will continue to have someone to attack.

Also XIV ppl please remember that we already payed for this game that alone is enough to make some a little touchy, ppl rather you play with their emotions then their money.

People still pay to play XI, and if this game could compete with that one others would be willing to pay as well.
OOOORRRRRR maybe its just me that thinks this i'm sure you will say right lol