Solution to Legacy Players Transferring to Non-Legacy Servers

[Areth]

Can someone actually explain how a player with 1 million gil and a bunch of 50's would overturn an economy?

One might not, but many will.
Besides I don't want to play with any legacy people(which means people with material advantage)on a fresh server. This is a "new" game after all.

[Dandarf]

Easily the rudest person in this thread. Stop acting like all legacy players are jerks. Seems to me like you're the only jerk here. Besides, the worst thing a legacy player could do is put a big price tag on something. If you don't like the price, don't buy it.

Did I say "EVERY" legacy person? No.. I said all the ones who had threads. And I guess it was ok for them to belittle others but now when its turned on them its not ok. I get it..

You have no idea what letting max lvl players onto a brand new server at launch can and will do to the economy and all the new players on it.

I remember when in FFXI they made the server Hades and let us transfer toons to it back in 04. People with new toons couldn't make any money because all the lvl 75s that transferred controlled the Auction House/NMs/Sky. The prices were to the roof. So what happened? The economy failed because now you had 100s of gilsellers poping up because people couldn't farm or make monay so they bought gil.

The sad part was so many people wanted to get off that server because the economy was sooo bad and they couldn't. We were stuck on it unless we made new toons on another server.
So plz don't give me that crap about it wont hurt the server. It will..

[ArkhamNative]

It's not a "Legacy Player" issue, it's a "version 1.0 character" issue. And we already have several solutions already considered and chosen by Yoshi-P:
　• Legacy (v1) players can create new characters on new worlds.
　• New players can create their new characters on Legacy worlds.
　• Legacy (v1) characters cannot transfer to new worlds until months after launch.

The only "problem" is if new player friends don't want to create their characters on a Legacy world, but that's really just an issue between individuals and has nothing to do with this game.

What I dislike most about this argument and legacy players is they refuse to accept that people want to play on a new server just for the game to be NEW.

Exactly. As a Legacy player, I thought about the reasons I wanted to bring my v1 character to a new world. (I have gil! I have levels! I have things are not available to new ARR characters! etc.) All of them are equally valid reasons why a new ARR player would not want such a character on his/her new world.

[Molly_Millions]

In a few months the new servers will have players with all 50s. By the time legacy players can transfer there, it's not going to matter one bit. The only things that legacy players will bring there that didn't exist already are vanity items.

Seriously, stop complaining about it already.

[Kaliska]

I'm a legacy player and I thought long and hard about starting over, rerolling a fresh character on a fresh server and very nearly did. However, I don't want to go through all the "new server drama" again. People seem to somehow think that legacy players are all cheating, botting scumbags who want to spoil everyone else's enjoyment, but that's simply not true. I truly believe that on every server there will be the few powergamers who will race to 50 on their crafting/gathering jobs and craft and gather and corner the markets...it won't be the legacy people, it will be new people. They will hoard and craft and make millions off everyone else as they level up slower, just like they did at the start of 1.0. I went through that once and don't want to go through it again.

New servers aren't going to all sunshine and rainbows like people seem to believe, just like legacy servers aren't all hellfire and brimstone. I am disappointed that the community has been split like this and it truly saddens me to see all the hate and prejudice. SE should never have "labeled" the servers in the first place (beyond EU/NA/JP labels) and just offered transfers for old players to a server of their choice and new players to start anywhere.

[Gucci_Charms]

I agree with Kaliska. Aside from economy fluctuations, there seems be a lot of assumptions that ALL legacy 1.0 players are elitists and jerks. While I cannot argue against this statement, I think these assumptions can be applied to the new worlds as well. The first handful of players to reach level 50 will run around acting all superior and snobbish to everyone still trying to reach their levels. It should also be noted that these same first level 50 players on the new servers will easily dominate the marketplace early-on. This scenario is generally unavoidable - be it on new or Legacy servers. As for me, I think I will stick to my legacy server with my original and new character(s). I haven't actually encountered any personal issues with anyone from 1.0. Most of the people I have met have generally been friendly to me.

[Fawkes]

After open beta I really don't see the point to splitting us all up in the first place. I wasn't able to level one class from 1 to 20 in open beta, while other people managed to level 5 or 6 classes to 20. I'm on a Legacy server and there are people on new servers that are arguably much more leveled than me. There will be people hitting 50 on every server within a week. There will be people with outright dumb amounts of gil on new servers in a month. Treating people who played the original game like lepers isn't going to save you from being on a server with people with more levels and gil than you.

Yeah, maybe part of why I'd want to be on a new server is I do want to show off some items I have. That's kind of the point of an MMO, isn't it? I feel a bit cheated by SE to have been offered the limited time Goobbue mount, paying for a subscription and leveling up just to get it, only to find out later that I'm stuck in a quarantine zone where most people also have it.

[Kugelfaenger]

The legacy players who want to transfer off need to reflect on why they want to transfer off. It's likely the very same reason people don't want them to be able to transfer for months.

Really guys? Did we need to start this stuff again? In a few months it won't even matter.

Why would you want to transfer?

I can only think of two reasons...

1) Become top dog on a fresh world
2) Leave behind your ruined reputation

Neither of which is appealing to those who are on the fresh world. Transferring between Legacy should be fine or onto Legacy, so friends can meet up. If you're all fresh starters, you should just reroll, its the quicker option.

THIS! AND THIS!! AND THIS!!!....can we close this thread now?

[Minigae]

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That happened in 1.0 it will not happen as severely in ARR. How fast you level in ARR will just prevent it from happening in any kind of degree that it happened in 1.0. I know about 1.0 I did it with cotton/velveteen cloth. Long before any weaver was high enough to make it I farmed bogies in a cave no one knew about for days on end selling those cloth for ungodly prices. And a lot of that was because crafts were so out of wack and like a weaponsmith needed that cloth at like level 10 to make his weapon(could not just get them off the vendor or class quest like now) and the cotton cloth was like a level 20 item to make for weaving. In ARR 1-20 in a craft is like 1 hour if you have the mats available and even faster if you use leves.

After open beta I really don't see the point to splitting us all up in the first place. I wasn't able to level one class from 1 to 20 in open beta, while other people managed to level 5 or 6 classes to 20. I'm on a Legacy server and there are people on new servers that are arguably much more leveled than me. There will be people hitting 50 on every server within a week. There will be people with outright dumb amounts of gil on new servers in a month. Treating people who played the original game like lepers isn't going to save you from being on a server with people with more levels and gil than you.

That is exactly a good reason for not allowing them on our servers. And you don't even know how bad it really is I have 9 classes to 20 and I was offline due to 3102 for a day and a half I am sure there are people with more like 15 classes to 20(my brother is one of them). That way you are rewarded for your dedication to leveling either with the economy by getting crap no one else can yet. Or just for the accomplishment of getting there first. By adding 1.0 characters you totally remove that factor from the game for some people. Yeah these players are a minority but you are suggesting taking this from them while a 1.0 player gains nothing from joining a new server except the fact he gets to have this feeling of being more progressed then everyone else without actually earning it.

[Kaliska]

Snippy snip

It will probably happen faster in 2.0, more so because it is so much faster to level up now. People played none stop at 1.0 launch and leveled through the old awful "fatigue" and still got to max in what...a week? People will be there in days now. They'll do it like they always do, working in groups, one crafting the others bringing in mats and gil. The threat to new servers economy isn't legacy people, its the new people themselves.