1.17 NMs: Let's talk about them...

[Honz]

The common drop from these NMs are just fine. My server has a small population if not the smallest meaning that our market is nearly always more inflated than those of higher population servers. My point is that the common items these NMs drop have already lost their market value, hell i've npced all of the common drops i've gotten because I can't be assed to even sell them in the wards.

[Lienn]

The common drop from these NMs are just fine. My server has a small population if not the smallest meaning that our market is nearly always more inflated than those of higher population servers. My point is that the common items these NMs drop have already lost their market value, hell i've npced all of the common drops i've gotten because I can't be assed to even sell them in the wards.

So did i. Nowadays i just ask in LS if anyone want any of them for free...if no one want they automatically will be taking their way to NPC vender. And the problem is that you already have some somewhat rare stuff coming this way...brass elmo is a mid/high rank recipe, assault sallet too...brass preservers (Red) is the rarest version of it...

[Alcide]

IMHO the main problem with these NM is that you can fight them at rank 50.
I tryed to kill Unknown Soldier with a rank 35 full party and it was a damn taught fight *-*
The problem is that almost everyone in game has a class at rank 50 already, or knows someone with a rank 50 that can get the drop for him, so this isn't a challenge for not only for rank 50 people, but for everyone. Also, for a rank 35 party is impossible to camp them, cause they are overcamped by rank 50 parties, wich are way quicker >.> a party of the proper rank would take ages to kill one of them and it would cause the rage of all the other people camping that could kill one in 2 minutes.

Those NM could add a great content to the game if they were fought at the proper rank, IMHO the fights would be much more challenging than any Dodore or Great Buffalo fight. But honestly nobody wants to waste time if they can be killed in 2 minutes ^^'
They should add a restriction so if you have someone whose rank is too high for that NM you won't get the drop, also make them give a huge amount of SP if killed at the proper rank; this way we'll be obliged to fight them at the correct rank and even if we don't get the drop we won't feel like we are wasting time.

[Shika]

I disagree with this. Why shouldn't I be able to go out on my 50THM and kill an NM for a drop to help me level another class? I like to be prepared and have gear several levels before I need it.

Bear in mind these are just the first few NMs, and mid-level ones to be introduced. There will be higher level NMs put into the game at some point which won't be an easy solo, or will require a party to take down and more of a challenge.
By putting in mid-level NMs (and hopefully even lower level ones at some point) gives everyone something to do- lower rank players can join together as a team to take them down, and higher rank people can still go and kill them for items.

I have to say even at rank 50 some of these NMs are still fun to fight and give a challenge solo- Phaia and Sirocco for example... as a mage they hurt!

[Lienn]

Very true. I duoed Phaia and Kookoron a few times...by the work i had duoing i believe they can entertain a r50 solo for over 10 mins (we were taking 5~7 min to kill in 2 ppl). IMO these NMs were a good content, except by the lame way they dealt with drops...these drops not only damage the game economy regarding certain items but also are completely out of game context.

[Shiyo]

I don't mind if NM's drop rare/ex(or untradable/unique as it is in this game), but I think it's dumb they drop completed mid-high ranked items 100% of the time. At least make these versions untradable or something.

[Alcide]

I disagree with this. Why shouldn't I be able to go out on my 50THM and kill an NM for a drop to help me level another class? I like to be prepared and have gear several levels before I need it.

Bear in mind these are just the first few NMs, and mid-level ones to be introduced. There will be higher level NMs put into the game at some point which won't be an easy solo, or will require a party to take down and more of a challenge.
By putting in mid-level NMs (and hopefully even lower level ones at some point) gives everyone something to do- lower rank players can join together as a team to take them down, and higher rank people can still go and kill them for items.

I have to say even at rank 50 some of these NMs are still fun to fight and give a challenge solo- Phaia and Sirocco for example... as a mage they hurt!

From my lancer 50 point of view I agree with you (in fact right after the patch I went to get all the equips for my archer and my thaumaturge ), but those NM are meant to be a challenge for 35-40 rank parties and right now they are just normal mobs for rank 50 people :/ it's not that I want content for me, those NM were implemented for rank 35-40 people, not for me or for any other rank 50, but still I've never seen anyone at that rank fighting them, and even adding new NM that's not gonna change, every rank 20 person will ask for help from rank 50 people in his linkshell if they're allowed to do it, so every mid rank content added this way won't be a content at all :/

On the other hand, I remember in Aion there was a restriction on the drop, if I remember correctly if you had someone in you party whose level was +10 the mob's level you wouldn't get any drop, so if I wanted a rare equip from a tought boss I had to do a damn hard fight to get it.

[Jocko]

I honestly don't see how anyone could be r50 anything. In a game with no content, why bother leveling? I've had the game since launch, and I'm a r30 THM.

The new NMs are perfect for me. I can solo all of the r36 ones, which take about 15 minutes to kill (and are the most fun I've had with the game thus far). I'm about 1/40 for drops, so this should take me awhile. I don't understand when people complain that they respawn quickly, because I've been at this for days without much luck

As far as them dropping mats instead of items, I'm very much against that. The game is already so crafting heavy, that I'm glad there is finally a few drops that don't require it. Getting mats from a hard kill is so much less satisfying than getting a piece of equipment.

[Alcide]

I honestly don't see how anyone could be r50 anything. In a game with no content, why bother leveling? I've had the game since launch, and I'm a r30 THM.

Well actually there are certain things you can't do if you're not rank 50 (they are boring as hell right now, but months ago they were something new) plus getting to rank 50 is a piece of cake now if you have got some friends to do leves with, but that's another matter.

[Alleyia]

I like the way NMs are handeled right now. I like the respawn and the annoying droprate! It's also nice that the drops aren't craft items as I'm not the biggest fan of crafting.
It's also fun to randomly group up with people that camp the same NM as you do.