Scholar... SAY WHUT?

[ArkhamNative]

It does not say here but they also said that there are 8 slots for the Soul Crystals (jobs)
so scholar won't have a soul crystal? or both Scholar and Arcanist becomes summoner?

Or they add another slot for any new jobs, including SCH? There's space in the dialog for up to 25 slots.

[Xeia]

This makes a lot of issues, though. Will it also unlock at level 30 alongside Summoner? You quest to unlock jobs

Can I just grind on one and get experience on both?Experience is not tied to Jobs, it is tied to the base class so if you have a 50 Arcanist before you unlock scholar, when you unlock it you are a 50 scholar. Job abilities are quested

Answered your questions that are already answered.

These aren't really answers to what I was actually asking, though.

I'm fully aware that you quest to unlock jobs, but that begins at level 30. My question was not whether or not there was a quest involved, but rather would hitting level 30 on Arcanist allow you to quest for both the Summoner and the Scholar soul crystals or is one a higher "tier" than the other. Presumably they will at least have different subclass (level 15) requirements.

As for your second point, experience may be tied to the class in code, but in practice it's shared between each class and its respective job. If I complete a quest as an Archer I gain experience on my Bard, but similarly if I quest on my Bard I will gain experience on my Archer. If Summoner and Scholar both evolve from Arcanist in the same way that v1 jobs did that means that questing on my Summoner will let me gain experience on my Arcanist and, having gained experience on my Arcanist, should also let me gain experience on my Scholar. My question to the community was simply do you think this is how it will work? And, if not, what do you think will be done instead?

As for the other post you directed at me, the clarification you got from ArkhamNative was precisely what I meant, including his(her?) point about my main goal just being general speculation.

Or they add another slot for any new jobs, including SCH? There's space in the dialog for up to 25 slots.

Without SMN, SCH, or ACN (none of which will be in the beta) there are 25 classes and jobs, including the DoHs and DoLs. From their original announcement about gear sets way back before the armory chest had been mentioned it was either stated or strongly implied that we'd have a set for each class. Hopefully that's still the case (especially with all this new CSE they've promised), and at launch we'll have either 28 or 29 slots, depending on if SCH has a new class. ...Of course, that doesn't explain why there's already a slot for an 8th job crystal. :s

[Mjollnir]

I'm firmly in the camp of there being a new class to underlay Scholar with the respective guild either in one of the starting cities or one of the other, expanded, settlements around Eorzea.

I did wonder about the 8-slot job crystal window. My take that the Beta will not have the 9th job ready and the 9th slot will be added in when SCH or SMN is attainable. Though that seems a little tenuous. Maybe when the chest was designed, only 8 jobs were confirmed and the whole SCH thing is a relatively recent addition.

[Fantasia]

Methinks that they've changed the classes, so that

ACN > SCH
EVK > SMN

(EVK = Evoker)

Which isn't really that difficult to edit at this stage in development, and would also explain why the SCH is shown holding a Grimoire (if it's not a Tome) whereas the SMN doesn't appear to be using a weapon at all yet. But that's just my 2 cents.

As you were.

[Catapult]

So I am clearly on the wrong side of history here. But I can totally roll with that.

I had a hunch, it was wrong, but that's part of the thrill. We Australians like a good gamble.

[Leigaon]

I'm firmly in the camp of there being a new class to underlay Scholar with the respective guild either in one of the starting cities or one of the other, expanded, settlements around Eorzea.

I did wonder about the 8-slot job crystal window. My take that the Beta will not have the 9th job ready and the 9th slot will be added in when SCH or SMN is attainable. Though that seems a little tenuous. Maybe when the chest was designed, only 8 jobs were confirmed and the whole SCH thing is a relatively recent addition.

I agree it seems Scholar was a recent addition to the game, should have it's own crystal to place the "Soul of the Scholar"? in it. I know we have a bit to wait to find out details..but there's some who have said scholar won't be tied to any actual job.

I don't see the doing arcanist and having the story branch out to scholar. Though when it comes to implementing the job, should still have the same restrictions as normal jobs in terms of cross class abilities it can use and from what classes. But to just randomly toss out a class? would seem a little off. Maybe they don't see the need to offer a new class just for scholar but instead will have it a game requirement to obtain certain levels and go do the scholar quest, tied to classes but not by experience or lore. Would give those who start ARR with all 50's another class to level.

This is all just me guessing, I'm okay with being wrong. Just killing time until E3 and release.

[KamikazeMan]

I'm willing to bet that SE will start releasing jobs to branch off current classes and add some more classes later when they add new weapon types. It makes it MUCH easier to do this jobs, rather than having to create a class from scratch every time they want to add a job to the game. In terms of lore, they can easily fit it in; classes can have their own guilds and jobs will be part of that guild.

However, one concern I have is the leveling process. Level 50's can just switch over to the new job after unlocking it without ever practicing with it. I just hope these additional jobs are even harder to get. Like, I hope unlocking Scholar will be a lot harder to unlock and fully master (learn all skills from job quests) than Summoner will be. That way, it can give people time to fool around with the job and get the hang of it.

Just because I want to have a bit of fun with this idea before being hauled off to work, let's try to imagine what kind of jobs we could see get added in the future

Archer > Ranger
Marauder > Berserker
Gladiator > Black Knight
Conjurer >Oracle
Thaumaturge > Geomancer or Blue Mage
Pugilist > Boxer? idklol

New classes to be added:

??? > Red mage and Sage
??? > Thief and Ninja

[Spy]

Archer > Ranger
Marauder > Berserker
Gladiator > Black Knight
Conjurer >Oracle
Thaumaturge > Geomancer or Blue Mage
Pugilist > Boxer? idklol

New classes to be added:

Seer or Shaman > Red mage and Sage
Rogue > Thief and Ninja

That's my own little addition XD

[Xeia]

I'm firmly in the camp of there being a new class to underlay Scholar with the respective guild either in one of the starting cities or one of the other, expanded, settlements around Eorzea.

I did wonder about the 8-slot job crystal window. My take that the Beta will not have the 9th job ready and the 9th slot will be added in when SCH or SMN is attainable. Though that seems a little tenuous. Maybe when the chest was designed, only 8 jobs were confirmed and the whole SCH thing is a relatively recent addition.

I'm also leaning towards there being a new class, but if I'm being totally honest I can't tell how much I'm being biased by the fact that I want a new class. I don't think they'll make two jobs from the same class because I think it'd be messy any way I can imagine they'd implement it. ...But then again I don't want them to make two jobs from the same class because I think it'd be messy any way I can imagine they'd implement it. So I might be having a little trouble keeping the two separate.

I believe it's been confirmed 100% that the beta will also not have the 8th job ready. Both SMN and SCH have been announced "for launch." I'm trying not to read to much into it, though, and I think your second suggestion is probably right. There will be 9 job slots, there just aren't at the moment. It's the developer's build after all, they don't need to get everything implemented at the same time like they'd have to if players were on the server.

Methinks that they've changed the classes, so that

ACN > SCH
EVK > SMN

(EVK = Evoker)

Which isn't really that difficult to edit at this stage in development, and would also explain why the SCH is shown holding a Grimoire (if it's not a Tome) whereas the SMN doesn't appear to be using a weapon at all yet. But that's just my 2 cents.

As you were.

I did notice that the new concept art had every job carrying its weapon with the exception of SMN, which appears unarmed. The actual naming of the mage classes hasn't made much sense to me from the beginning. Ignoring scholar, it seems to me it should've gone (in name only):

CNJ -> SMN [To conjure something and to summon something isn't all that different. EVK works too.]
ACN -> BLM [Arcane arts, black magic, whatever. It works for SMN as well, but I think CNJ works better.]
THM -> WHM [Thaumaturgey being a term which refers specifically to miracle-like magic. Certainly something closer associated with WHMs than BLMs.]

Ignoring the fact that I don't think they name their mage classes well, I'm sort of skeptical that the class they announced for SMN is going to be moved to a different job (instead of SMN). If there's a unique class associated with SCH, my money is still on a Tactician.

[JillyBean]

Damn I been missing a great thread! Idk if I can go back and read 25 pages though. :/