So 1.0 owners have to start paying the monthly fee immediately?

[Duuude007]

It's their definition, in their official cummunication, Not my interpretation.

Thank you for conceding that they defined the time of PS3 Beta as the official beginning of the free trial.

[Abriael]

What are you talking about? lol...

There is no industry standard for early access. Not every game does them, and they have been of varying lengths.

None of which has ever been over a week. Final Fantasy XIV included (September the 21st to September the 27th). They vary between 3 days and a week.

That's a standard to avoid giving an excessive progression disadvantage to those that don't qualify for early access.

Wait, so they defined the time when PS3 goes to beta as the free trial period?

That is a pretty clear definition.

So logically, when PS3 goes to beta, the free trial period begins.

And based on the other point:

Yeah, I guess you are right, phase 3 is the beginning of free trial.

Thanks for clearing that up, Abriael!

You're being so disingenuous that it's getting comical, while quite obviously ignoring my point because it tears your non-existant argument to shreds.

No "free trial period" has ever been mentioned for the PS3. According to your ludicrous theory the PS3 beta is a beta (not a free trial period); but the PC beta is a free trial period.

yeah very logical. Not.

Again, in every instance of communication from Square Enix, "Free trial period" refers to a free period of gameplay with the full game. Not a beta.

It's their definition. Not mine. It's hilarious how you're not accepting Square Enix's own definition of a "free trial period" in order to defend them.

Thank you for conceding that they defined the time of PS3 Beta as the official beginning of the free trial.

I conceded nothing. Timings changed all over the place, so you're making an irrelevant point while conveniently ignoring the only relevant one.

They promised a free trial period and we aren't getting one, according to SE's own definitions.

[Alhanelem]

i can't believe how rag-ey people are getting over this. you people are disgusting, really- acting like it's the end of the world because you didn't get another month or two tacked on to your total of YEARS of free FFXIV.

A few things to note about this:

First, note the dates. We're already nearly 6 months past the far end of this timeline, which was made long before the first players laid their hands on the 2.0 alpha, thus it can't be taken as gospel truth because a lot of things have changed since this chart was made. That's the risk they took when making a chart to predict the future, I guess, but still...

Second, note the other things in paralell with the "free" period: The ps3 beta test. Phase 3 + 4 of the beta essentially = your free trial, according to this very im. Bonus if you got early access. Considering that our 1.0 characters will be playable in both phases, and our game progress from phase 4 carries over to launch, how the hell is that not a #*&$^ing free trial?

They promised a free trial period and we aren't getting one.

They promised a free trial period and we ARE getting one. Beta 4 = the release game. Early access = the release game. Your progress carries. It is, for all intents and purposes, a free trial and little else.

[SkyeWindbinder]

Okay, tell you what. This back and forth really isn't getting us anywhere. So, in order to really get to the bottom of it, I'm going to go back to the beginning; back to what this whole thread was posted around:

FFXIV:ARR includes 30 free days of playtime with purchase for new accounts. However, even though players who own FFXIV Version 1.0 will receive FFXIV:ARR for free, this does not include the 30 free days of play.

Ok, so that's Hvinire, outright stating that PC players of the game that already have owned the 1.0 version do not get a free trial. Now you guys, on the other hand, are stating that PC players do get a free trial. So, between you guys and Hvinire, someone doesn't have their facts straight.

Either you guys are right, and we do get a free trial, and Hvnire is a liar or is simply someone who doesn't know what they're talking about, or Hvinire is right, we don't get a free trial, the beta versions of the game are not considered the same thing as a free trial (Who even thought that one up?), and in your haste to white Knigh SE you are calling one of their reps a liar or just flat out wrong either directly or inadvertently.

Which is it? Who's right? Who's wrong? Who's lying? Who's simply pulling theories out of their rear-end trying to make themselves seem smart? I think the answer to all those questions can be found in the answer to this one: Is Hvinire correct or incorrect in their statement?

[Duuude007]

how the hell is that not a #*&$^ing free trial?

It isn't according to Abriael. because he's a "journalist" he knows better than SE what the definition and rules of developer terms.

You know, like "industry standard is 1 week trial" that he asserted. Wait, WoW and AO offer infinite time with capped access.

Another assertion proven irrelevant by Abriael.

He is right about one thing though. He knows a lot about grasping for straws.

[Abriael]

Second, note the other things in paralell with the "free" period: The ps3 beta test. Phase 3 + 4 of the beta essentially = your free trial, according to this very im. Bonus if you got early access. Considering that our 1.0 characters will be playable in both phases, and our game progress from phase 4 carries over to launch, how the hell is that not a #*&$^ing free trial?

Because it's not the full game. It's a beta. It lacks features. Phase 3 is gonna have quests up to level 20, to bring an example.

It's also free for everyone, whether they're on PS3 or on PC, so it doesn't make the slightest sense to call the PC version a "free trial period" and the PS3 version a beta.

[Alhanelem]

Because it's not the full game. It's a beta. It lacks features. Phase 3 is gonna have quests up to level 20, to bring an example.

Phase 4 doesn't lack features. It is the full game. We will have access to all the areas that will be avialable at launch. We will have content for all levels. Where did you get this funny idea that phase 3 only has quests up to level 20? Phase 1 and 2 already had more than that.

Time to stop feeding the RRRRAAAAGE troll...

Abriel, seriously, if you're so upset about this, than quit playing now and go find some other game. Speak with your wallet at SE abotu how much you hate them for duping you out of $10. Cancel your preorders. Let them know just how mad you are. If you can't look back at what you're writing and see how over-the-top it is, then that's only more proof you're nothing more than a troll.

[Duuude007]

Ok, so that's Hvinire, outright stating that PC players of the game that already have owned the 1.0 version do not get the same free trial given to the people who preorder.

Fixed that for you.

[Abriael]

It isn't according to Abriael. because he's a "journalist" he knows better than SE what the definition and rules of developer terms.

No, I'm using SE's own definition, as cited in the official announcements I posted, that you very conveniently ignored.

[QUOTE]You know, like "industry standard is 1 week trial" that he asserted. Wait, WoW and AO offer infinite time with capped access.[QUOTE]

Wow, your argument is so weak that you resort to lies now? I never said that Industry standard is one week trial. I said that industry standard is one week or less early access trial and early access are two different things. Get your facts straight.

[Alhanelem]

It isn't according to Abriael. because he's a "journalist" he knows better than SE what the definition and rules of developer terms.

If he's a journalist, he's the worst behaving journalist I've ever seen- the most unprofessional, the most immature. If he's really using this to write an article about how bad FFXIV is... well, nobody's going to trust an article full of that level of falsehood and nonsense.

Wow, your argument is so weak that you resort to lies now? I never said that Industry standard is one week trial.

Actually, that is what you said. Keep backpedaling! Also, you know nothing about industry standards. The industry never wrote a rule that says "early accesses or free trials should last X days and not more or less."