So 1.0 owners have to start paying the monthly fee immediately?

[Duuude007]

Distribution obviously means to players, as they also say they're also "distributing" the PS3 beta just the line below that, or you think they're going to send a beta to stores?

No, but they will be sending the boxes for both systems to stores. with a download client. The client will let you download the current version on launch day. (or early for preorders).

Seems to me that you are the one trying to change the narrative here.

[Abriael]

Here u go buddy "limited" Restricted in size, amount, or extent; few, small, or short: "a limited number of places are available" sense your mister technical could mean exactly what I said plus your the only guy even looking at that old ass road map "come on man" no one but You remembered it but you if u wanna help them stop complaining and go out and post everywhere what a great game it is not I am going to show u SE and it does say they can change dates as they please so...... If you are trying to help then help stop trying to make them look bad ..... Let me guess they are doing it on there own

*facepalms*

Criticism is essential to a successful game. Yoshida himself encouraged us to be as critical as we need several times.
If you think knee-jerk white knighting helps the game any, I see a large delusion there.

the "stop complaining and go out and post everywhere what a great game it is" philosophy gave us 1.0.

Yeah, thanks but no thanks.

No, but they will be sending the boxes for both systems to stores. with a download client. The client will let you download the current version on launch day. (or early for preorders).

Seems to me that you are the one trying to change the narrative here.

"beta" -> Not sent to stores. Stores have nothing to do with it. Grasp more straws mate, your knuckles are bleeding

[Keku]

Sorry, but you're making some large semantic somersaults to try and make it fit. It simply doesn't float.

Distribution obviously means to players, as they also say they're also "distributing" the PS3 beta just the line below that, or you think they're going to send a beta to stores?

They promised a rather long free trial, and they aren't giving it. That's pretty much all there's to it. Whether you think it's fair for them to do so or not, that's your choice.

The problem isn't just that it isn't very fair, it's also that it's not a very effective business decision, and this game really needs all the help it can get.

distribute was meant as send out, most likely to store being as it's 2-3 months before it goes on sale on their chart. (unless they are giving people early access who purchased 1.0 which they are not, but I could maybe see how you would think that)

Reinstate - "To restore to a previous condition or position."

Reinstating means putting something back that was there before, which was 30 days which as I could say I can see wondering about that and I think it would be good to give people who dropped it a chance to try it before paying.

Beta for PS3 obviously is to people accepted into beta.

You are clearly very stubborn and ignorant thinking that clearly you are the only one who can interpret this document correctly is you. When in fact how you are is completely off the wall. If you ever thought SE was going to give 3 months+ free I feel sorry for you.

Considering the people who quit also probably never read this which is the only few people could interpret it as you have because it's wrong and never was meant as what you think it did. Likely would be expecting nothing except maybe 30 days.

[Keku]

Abriael's completely right. I have not been 'officially following' all the dev posts religiously, I read them when I see posts and try to get the sense from gaming websites. But it was always my impression, without being able to quote like an academic research paper, that SE would give all players a NEW 30 day trial at the launch of ARR. Not the suspension of pay after the failed launch of 1.0; not the suspension of pay near the end of 1.0 as they got ready to cease billing for the current iteration of the game, a NEW TRIAL of the new game on release. Abriael posted the documentation for that expectation--they said they would.

We could debate best business practices all day long, and what will be better for the game's launch and community. To me, it's undoubtedly the case that a free trial will bring back lots of old players who might not otherwise play. But the main thing is it's always a bad practice to say one thing and then do another--WITHOUT some sort of explicit attention to it and why you chose to do that. If you don't call it out, it makes it look like you're just breaking a promise, and clearly people will notice.

Notice you thought you would get 30 days, which Abriael thinks people are supposed to get 3 months+
As I said before I can easily see people expecting 30 days from that document, but nothing more.

[SkyeWindbinder]

Not this again...



Dude, enough with the cryptic "privilege" posts. They fail. Just say what you mean. lol

[Allesasi]

$ 10, $20, $30....whatever. Not much to pay for a quality game. Besides, a lot of people are very excited about the release of the game. I don't think that many people at this point give a rats ass about a trial period, they really want to just play the game already. The people who always want stuff for free are the ones that will probably abandon the game first anyway and move on to the next game that offers them free gameplay so their cheap asses never have to pay for playing.

[SkyeWindbinder]

I don't really get it. How is Abriael wrong in this? Heck, if anyone knows that I would be the first one to call Abriael out for being wrong, it's him. (We battle on these forums almost any chance we get). But in this case, he seems to be right. How exactly does early access = free trial? It's not the same.

[Abriael]

distribute was meant as send out, most likely to store being as it's 2-3 months before it goes on sale on their chart. (unless they are giving people early access who purchased 1.0 which they are not, but I could maybe see how you would think that)

Again, stores have nothing to do with it. You're grasping at straws in order to prove a false but convenient point.

The "distribution" term is applied both to the PC client and the PS3 beta, which clearly means it's not referring to stores. You don't send betas to stores.

As further evidence, there's the Japanese original document, that uses the verb 配布 (Haifu), while distribution of goods to shops has a specific verb in Japanese, which is 配達 (Haitatsu).

Considering the people who quit also probably never read this which is the only few people could interpret it as you have because it's wrong and never was meant as what you think it did. Likely would be expecting nothing except maybe 30 days.

The people who quit have been told over and over by those that didn't that they'd get a free period, on forums, on websites and such. Every time someone came up with a skeptical remark, not knowing if he'd try the game or not, you'd see someone commenting "don't worry, you'll get X free months to try it out".

Whether you interpret it as one free month or multiple it doesn't really matter. What matters is that a lot of people are expecting at the very least one free month, and the word, due to SE's own words (and it isn't just limited to that one document, it was said quite a lot) went around a lot.

$ 10, $20, $30....whatever. Not much to pay for a quality game. Besides, a lot of people are very excited about the release of the game. I don't think that many people at this point give a rats ass about a trial period, they really want to just play the game already. The people who always want stuff for free are the ones that will probably abandon the game first anyway and move on to the next game that offers them free gameplay so their cheap asses never have to pay for playing.

In this case we can't really say that. With 1.0's experience we can't really blame people for being skeptical and for wanting to try the game extensively before putting money into it. Lost trust must be regained.

I don't really get it. How is Abriael wrong in this? Heck, if anyone knows that I would be the first one to call Abriael out for being wrong, it's him. (We battle on these forums almost any chance we get). But in this case, he seems to be right. How exactly does early access = free trial? It's not the same.

SE defense force in action.

[Allesasi]

We can't help SE gain trust again by making threads accusing them of breaking promises they never made especially if such fictitious promises mean very little to most people who will actually support the game.

[Medura]

guys, small hint: The roadmap isnt the only place he said everyone with 1.0 would get free trial time.

To say it this way, if you have no idea what youre talking sbout, then shut up. Instead, wait for someone who want to listen to your whining enough to waste am hour of his life looking through old documents with info.

Ever thought that the reason noone brings source is that the news and knowledge on it is over a year old? No? Yeah, I didnt think so :/ Think before you speak please.