So 1.0 owners have to start paying the monthly fee immediately?

[Duuude007]

So, could you point out to me where Yoshida or anyone else said that B3 and B4 officially qualified as the free trial period for PC players?

Yeah. Its the part I quoted. Your quote links to the sorce doc.

"- All FFXIV service account holders qualify as testers in phase 3."

[Abriael]

[source]

You get free access if you played 1.0, without need to apply to beta. In B3 practically everything in launch is present.
You can try it out as if it were the international Open beta. There are no preconditions that you must treat it as a bug-hunting test to gain access to phase 3. Only a partial NDA.

That's a completely different issue. You're mixing apples with escalators.

Free trial =/= Open beta.

tri·al (trl, trl) n.

• The act or process of testing, trying, or putting to the proof: a trial of one's faith.
• An instance of such testing, especially as part of a series of tests or experiments: a clinical trial of a drug.
• An effort or attempt: succeeded on the third trial.

Trial. 'Nuff said.

Only, we're talking about a game, and in the game industry "free trial" has a very specific meaning, which is not in any shape or form the same meaning as a beta testing, close, open or otherwise.

Try harder, your knuckles are bleeding for all the straws you're grasping at.

"'nuff said"

[SkyeWindbinder]

Yeah. it's in your quote.

Huh?

I'm sorry, I don't follow. What do you mean "it's in your quote"?

Yeah. Its the part I quoted. Your quote links to the sorce doc.

"- All FFXIV service account holders qualify as testers in phase 3."

Still nothing about how B3 and B4 qualify officially as the free trial period for PC players. I'm sorry, you're just not making any sense.

[Duuude007]

Try harder, your knuckles are bleeding for all the straws you're grasping at.

More personal attacks, and still avoiding the facts.

• Do all 1.x players get free access to try out ARR? yes.
• Is 1.x player's free access exclusive (aka it is not open beta)? yes.
• Is there an unrelated welcome back campaign, like they had in late 1.23? yes.
• Is the month of free access purchased by ARR pre-orders related to any of the above questions? no.

[Listerfiend]

• Do all 1.x players get free access to try out ARR? yes.
• Is 1.x player's free access exclusive (aka it is not open beta)? yes.
• Is there an unrelated welcome back campaign, like they had in late 1.23? yes.
• Is the month of free access purchased by ARR pre-orders related to any of the above questions? no.

Quoted for truth.

[Xandir]

Quoted for truth.

Agreed, what the hell kind of tangent is this "the devs lied about free access" anyways? 1.0 people DO get free access.

[Abriael]

More personal attacks, and still avoiding the facts.

Not a personal attack. It's simply a fact. You're doing some amazing sommersaults to warp reality and misconstrue the meaning of words to prove an evidently false point.

[*]Do all 1.x players get free access to try out ARR? yes.

No. They don't, as it's not the full game. Free trials apply by definition only to full games. You can't have a "free trial" of something that is already free for everyone. A beta is free.

A beta is not a free trial. It's a beta. It doesn't represent the final quality of a game and has an entirely different purpose than a free trial.

[*]Is 1.x player's free access exclusive (aka it is not open beta)? yes.

No it's not, A whole ton of people that didn't play 1.0 got invited since phase 1 or even alpha.

[*]Is there an unrelated welcome back campaign, like they had in late 1.23? yes.

A "welcome back campaign" is not a free trial. They're again different things.

The straws are getting shorter.

Agreed, what the hell kind of tangent is this "the devs lied about free access" anyways? 1.0 people DO get free access.

They promised a free trial, which we're not getting.

[SkyeWindbinder]

Not a personal attack. It's simply a fact. You're doing some amazing sommersaults to warp reality and misconstrue the meaning of words to prove an evidently false point.



No. They don't, as it's not the full game. Free trials apply by definition only to the full games. A beta is not a free trial. It's a beta, and has an entirely different purpose than a free trial.



No it's not, A whole ton of people that didn't play 1.0 got invited since phase 1 or even alpha.



A "welcome back campaign" is not a free trial. They're again different things.

The straws are getting shorter.



They promised a free trial, which we're not getting.

And I'm still waiting for someone to tell me where it was announced that beta officially counts as the free trial period for PC users.

I'm going to be waiting a long time, aren't I?

(yawn)... it's getting late...

[Duuude007]

Not a personal attack. It's simply a fact, you're doing some amazing sommersaults to warp reality and misconstrue the meaning of words to prove an evidently false point.



No. They don't, as it's not the full game. Free trials apply by definition only to the full game. A beta is not a free trial. It's a beta.



No it's not, A whole ton of people that didn't play 1.0 got invited since phase 1 or even alpha.



A "welcome back campaign" is not a free trial. They're again different things.

The straws are getting shorter.

Merely our patience. You have no facts to cite, because I cited them for you. All you have are personal opinions.

If you had something worth clearing up, a dev would have already jumped in to comment.

Sorry, but without evidence that they lied, and only your interpretation, this topic has no teeth.

I would advise you to join the "wait and see" camp before people start reporting you for libel.

[Medura]

"You cannot prove that god exist, since even if you show pictures of him, someone will yell out: 'thats not god!' and the discussion will continue."

You can prove it has been said by showing facts, but you cannot prove it hasnt been said.

And duuuuuuuuuuude guy, its info from a year ago, not from a week ago, are you trying to seem stupid or just too lazy to actually check for yourself? (or maybe you found yourself wrong and dont want people to laugh? ^^ )