[Loremonger] 1.X Lominsan Story Arc

[Anonymoose]

Carvallain... Sthalmann... etc.

That makes a lot more sense - and does actually tie in rather well to Hyllfyr. The Astalicia seems to have been still rather clandestine in the echoes, and yet Carvallain is always hanging out there. Now, we've been on the Misery in 1572, and it's not the same construction as we see on Hob's ship or the Astalicia.

To answer your questions, yes, we have seen Carvallain there in the present, I believe; the MRD story arc, yes? And yes, the Astalicia is where it always is back in 1567(?), as well, as Y'shtola looks at it and refers to it by name in an echo.

If what you say is accurate, I think by far the most likely scenario is that Shapeless Melody takes place in the same two week window as the rest of the echoes and is on the Astalicia, with Sthalmann undercover trying to get information on Carvallain.

That, of course, still begs the question of whether or not H'naanza was onto anything when she asked if there might be anything the Serpent would care about being on board at the time, which I cannot see a possibility for, so far. I think she was just speculating.

I'm sure how confortable I am reading stuff in to this 5-year thing. We're talking about a race of aquatic beastmen rather than typical land-rovers. The Sahagin may have had very different reasons to become more active around Limsa in the 5 preceding years. We also have to remember that we've got an ascian posing as a fishback (sahagin-affiliated landlubber) and that throws another spanner in any assumptions we make about them.

This is true, but the hierarchy above just seems too solid, to me. The way Sisipu refers to them as once being a mere annoyance says to me that this was pre-transformation. If they were already a violent race, but were just hanging back, I feel like they'd have still done more than cut a trawler's net and make off with their catch when there's perfectly good gold, gear, and crystals on board these ships, as well.

If we accept it as true that being a beast tribe that looks like the Amal/Ixal as opposed to the Sylph/Goblin/Qirirn/etc. requires first summoning a primal

(and the Sahagin totally look like the Amal/Ixal)

at the very least, would not make 1562 impossible of an assumption?

To have been attacking for 5 years means that the earliest date is my guess of 1567, which is coincidentally the latest date they could have started summoning by if Baderon were delivering that line in present day. That heavily narrows down our window.

Anonymoose Thoroughly Checks His Logic

Just now I made mention of Eorzea's future. But first I must speak of the past, for that which is to come was ever the product of that which has been. Ten years ago, an event took place which shook the very foundation of Eorzea: a tribe of beasts summoned forth a primal. So began the spread of summoning till there was not a tribe in this world to whom the practice remained unknown.

[QUOTE"The Lodestone"]"This brings us to events of ten years past. Just as the Amalj'aa and the kobolds succeeded in summoning their gods, so too did the Ixal call forth the primal Garuda."[/QUOTE]

The primal first summoned eight years ago by the nomadic Amalj’aa,

Now, Ifrit was first summoned 8 years ago, so that means the first summoned was either Garuda or Titan, or both.

The Paragons taught all tribes to summon primals.
The first primal was summoned in 1562
This primal was either Titan or Garuda
The Company of Heroes defeated both Leviathan and Titan
The Sylphs are still small and friendly because they've never summoned a primal.
They say that the Amalj'aa and Ixal were the same way before they summoned theirs.
Therefore, the Sahagin probably were as well.
Therefore, the Sahagin only became violent after summoning Leviathan.
Therefore, the earliest the Sahagin could summon him was 1562.
If they summoned him in 1562, Baderon would be saying this in 1567
If they summoned him in 1563, Baderon would be saying this in 1568.
If they summoned him in 1564, Baderon would be saying this in 1569.
If they summoned him in 1565, Baderon would be saying this in 1570.
If they summoned him in 1566, Baderon would be saying this in 1571.
If they summoned him in 1567, Baderon would be saying this in 1572.
It wasn't 1572, the eternal "present day" of FFXIV.
The NPCs in Limsa refer to it being at least plural years ago.

I would say that it has more likely to have been more years than less based on how much has changed, particularly Sisipu and the fact that no one around town is afraid of serpents or primals anymore.

Meanwhile, the Gridanians are terrified now that she's been summoned in 1572 so, I'm guessing that they've never killed her over there in Gridania. Meanwhile, these Lominsan badasses took down two, back to back. Therefore, I'd say, statistically speaking, Titan and Leviathan were probably the first up.

Yeah, I still say this Echo is 1567~9 with a heavy skew towards the 7.

Is that not the most logical assumption?