Are they getting rid of the job system?

[SkyeWindbinder]

well, MOST people never liked XIV in its entirity, at least based on the active subscriptions/server populations before 1.23 was taken down... I think that much should be telling that the armor/job system wasn't loved, as it's a big part of the game.

if you want specific examples that most people don't like it, look at any other XIV related forum for proof. You'll find dozens upon dozens of negative posts regarding the system.

you just won't find much criticism for FFXIV on the official forums because it will get greeted with similar responses that are ITT; gtfo, troll troll troll, don't feed the troll, it was perfect, fanboy comments.

But where is the specific proof that the armor/job system was not liked? Did Yoshi or any of the other devs say that got a lot of criticism? Are there numerous records that show it wasn't liked (polls, journalistic editorials, ect.) Just saying it wasn't liked because the game didn't do well is like saying nobody likes chocolate because you don't see anyone eating chocolate covered used socks. Where is the specific proof that the armory/jobs system was even close to universally reviled in the game? I think that's what Obsy was trying to ask.

[ClausL]

again, a very short venture into any FFXIV board ... the ARR board, FFXI/FFXIV/FF fansites, discussions on public forums like Reddit etc... should give you some incite on whether the armory system is liked or not. People hate it.

[Nox]

well, MOST people never liked XIV in its entirity, at least based on the active subscriptions/server populations before 1.23 was taken down... I think that much should be telling that the armor/job system wasn't loved, as it's a big part of the game.

if you want specific examples that most people don't like it, look at any other XIV related forum for proof. You'll find dozens upon dozens of negative posts regarding the system.

you just won't find much criticism for FFXIV on the official forums because it will get greeted with similar responses that are ITT; gtfo, troll troll troll, dont feed the troll, it was perfect, fanboy comments.

FFXIV 1.0 had many issues, the armory/class system wasn't one of them. the only gripe I recall some people having was having no jobs available, that was resolved once they released them.

[SkyeWindbinder]

again, a very short venture into any FFXIV board ... the ARR board, fansites, public forums like Reddit... should give you some incite on whether the armory system is liked or not. People hate it.

I've been to plenty of numerous sites, and I haven't really seen any evidence that the armory/job system in FFXIV was universally reviled. I've read just about everything Yoshi and others have fed to us by way of info, and they have made no mention of the job/armory system not being liked either. It might help if you could give some direct links to proof that the job/armory system was not liked by most.

[ClausL]

I would need to PM it, and there's no PM system. sorry.

point is removal of the class->job progression is probably the biggest request by people for ARR,. most people want Yoshi to get rid of it.

[SkyeWindbinder]

I would need to PM it, and there's no PM system. sorry.

point is removal of the class->job progression is probably the biggest request by ARR testers, countless people want Yoshi to get rid of it.

Forgive me for being skeptical, but I know a lot of gripes being made about this game, and not one of them is about the job/armory system. And without being able to provide some kind of proof... well... how can you expect your argument that the job/armory system in the game is mostly not liked to hold any water?

[Denmo]

Claus, even the gametrailers.com review that gave the 4.3/10 said that one of the few good things about the game was the armory system. The job system however, wasn't even released back then.

And I'm gonna point out that 500 post thread again over this very same subject that I linked for you earlier. It was hotly debated already to death.

[Forgo]

I've been to plenty of numerous sites, and I haven't really seen any evidence that the armory/job system in FFXIV was universally reviled. I've read just about everything Yoshi and others have fed to us by way of info, and they have made no mention of the job/armory system not being liked either. It might help if you could give some direct links to proof that the job/armory system was not liked by most.

It would be easier to build a bridge for him to live under rather then send him to find proof...but to each his own lol jk

[ClausL]

well... again, you'll just have to look around.

I'm not trying to prove to you that a lot of people agree with me (but they do), I'm just saying that the class to job progression is useless and poorly designed.

Claus, even the gametrailers.com review that gave the 4.3/10 said that one of the few good things about the game was the armory system. The job system however, wasn't even released back then.

And I'm gonna point out that 500 post thread again over this very same subject that I linked for you earlier. It was hotly debated already to death.

I'm specifically talking about the class->job progression

Yes, the class system was okay... they need to keep classes, or keep jobs, having both is meaningless and unnecessary.

[Rannie]

well, MOST people never liked XIV in its entirity, at least based on the active subscriptions/server populations before 1.23 was taken down... I think that much should be telling that the armor/job system wasn't loved, as it's a big part of the game.

if you want specific examples that most people don't like it, look at any other XIV related forum for proof. You'll find dozens upon dozens of negative posts regarding the system.

you just won't find much criticism for FFXIV on the official forums because it will get greeted with similar responses that are ITT; gtfo, troll troll troll, dont feed the troll, it was perfect, fanboy comments.

Fyi When that person said citation needed they didn't want your word for it they're wanting tangible proof ergo give us a direct link to said url that specifically says all that. Otherwise your defense is bs...

btw is it just me or is this almost like the grass thread all over again or the gil reduction thread >.<

As people have said there isn't anything wrong with having specialization and the class/job system. No matter what it opens up abilities (especially a lot of the ones they took out when they were revamping the system to begin with and it was acceptable), and from my memory this isn't the first time it's been done like that though not under the same name. The Original Final Fantasy game you went from White mage to White Wizard, Black Mage to Black Wizard so on and so forth. People early on from MY memory were always bitching because there WERE no jobs and lo and behold Yoshi-P said, "You wanz jobz you can haz jobs!" and it was good... we're still waiting for the seventh day so he can rest.