Are minions (vanity pets) going to cost real money?

[Abriael]

this is a company they want to make the most money.

Like they did for 11 years with FFXI? It's their most profitable Final Fantasy game, and it has no cash shop.

Wanna know a great way to make the "most money"?

Putting all your development resources into content that can instantly be enjoyed by all your subscribers (helping retain them) without limitations, instead of diluting your resources and shifting your development model to try and make your users buy as much stuff as possible.

Which i what they did with XI, very successfully.

completely untrue, FFXI has had tons of microtransactions over the years

Paid services and microtransactions are two very different things. Next thing you'll say in your endless grasping at straws is that the monthly fee is a microtransaction.

Try harder.

[ClausL]

Paid services and microtransactions are two very different things. Next thing you'll say in your endless grasping at straws is that the monthly fee is a microtransaction.

Try harder.

They actually aren't different things first of all, if you look up the definition of a microtransaction, but anyway;

besides paid server transfers, $25 in-game marriages, etc. etc. "services", FFXI also offered functional, paid bonus items

such as : $10 Mog Satchel (huge inventory expansion, which every player HAD to buy if you were serious about XI)
$40 Tidal Talisman (very useful equipment which could teleport your entire party)

these are certainly microtransactions and arguably pay to win items, this is just what I remember off the top of my head, I'm positive that SE offered more official RMT items for FFXI

and I think you can be sure they will do it for XIV on a larger scale

[Abriael]

They actually aren't different things

besides paid server transfers, $25 in-game marriages, etc. etc. "services"

Not microtransactions.

FFXI also offered functional, paid bonus items

such as : $10 Mog Satchel (huge inventory expansion, which every player HAD to buy if you were serious about XI)
$40 Tidal Talisman (very useful equipment which could teleport your entire party)

And the bridge-dweller rears his head again in trying so hard to warp reality to try and intentionally mislead and fit a false theorem.

both of those items have nothing to do with microtransactions. They are in-game items granted as bonuses for the purchase of out-of-game goods (the mog satchel for the security token and the tidal talisman for a physical necklace).

No more no less than the commemorative items granted for going to a distant world concert or collectibles for a collector's edition. Nothing to do with microtransactions and cash shops whatsoever.

Try harder, you're amusing in how you try to spin reality to prove complete falsehoods.

In the meanwhile reality stands: FFXI is the most profitable Final Fantasy game and has no microtransactions or cash shops whatsoever.

[ClausL]

The bottom line is that they were entirely functional in-game items (which gave players a huge advantage) and costed real money.

They were pay to win items, and there's no way to dispute that.

I don't see why you white knight Square Enix so much, they're not as good as you think they are.

if Square offers nothing but cosmetic pets and mounts in XIV, consider yourself lucky... keep in mind we're talking about the company that charged people extra for the ending to XIII-2

[Abriael]

The bottom line is that they were entirely functional in-game items (which gave players a huge advantage) and costed real money.

Nope. They costed nothing as they were just a free bonus for the purchase of an out-of-game item.

Absolutely no different from the bonus items granted for a collector's edition or attending an event, and nothing to do with microtransactions and cash shops whatsoever.

I don't see why you white knight Square Enix so much, they're not as good as you think they are.

Unfortunately for you taking your intentionally false and misleading arguments and tearing them to pieces has nothing to do with "white knighting" whatsoever, as much as you'd love to paint it so.

[Shioban]

Not microtransactions.



And the bridge-dweller rears his head again in trying so hard to warp reality to try and intentionally mislead and fit a false theorem.

both of those items have nothing to do with microtransactions. They are in-game items granted as bonuses for the purchase of out-of-game goods (the mog satchel for the security token and the tidal talisman for a physical necklace).

No more no less than the commemorative items granted for going to a distant world concert or collectibles for a collector's edition. Nothing to do with microtransactions and cash shops whatsoever.

Try harder, you're amusing in how you try to spin reality to prove complete falsehoods.

In the meanwhile reality stands: FFXI is the most profitable Final Fantasy game and has no microtransactions or cash shops whatsoever.

Ah, bonus items for purchasing something else are common with FFXI, thats what some people may have been saying then.

When I bought FFXI Abyssea Edition recetenly to tide me over again until FFXIV:ARR I received a Berret for a new character if I wanted.

You're right, those are more rewards.


Still yet to see explicit micro-transactions.

"Give us $40 for this pig that oinks and follows you"

[ClausL]

OK, let me put it this way...

There were bonus items in FFXI.
They gave you a huge advantage, such as bonus abilities and doubling your storage.
The only way to get these items was to pay real money on top of your subscription

Yes or no?

[Abriael]

OK, let me put it this way...

There were bonus items in FFXI.
They gave you a huge advantage, such as bonus abilities and doubling your storage.
The only way to get these items was to pay real money on top of your subscription

Yes or no?

Doesn't matter. They're not microtransactions or cash shop items and the "huge advantage" is a gross hyperbole.

They didn't cost "real money", because they costed factually nothing, and their existence proves nothing. Your argument has been debunked, may want to move on to the next attempt to spread F.U.D.

[ClausL]

How did they cost factually nothing?

The only way for me to get those items was to pay between $10~$100+, even though I was already a subscriber... pay-to-win items, because I basically had to buy them as a competitive/serious player.

yes they came with physical items too, but if you ask any player if they paid $10 for the satchel or the token... or if they really wanted that cheap necklace-- I think you know what the response will be. They paid real money for virtual items which gave them an advantage. (RMT)

point is, FFXI has always had microtransactions, and XIV will more than likely follow that trend.

by your logic, it's totally OK if the vanity pets cost cash if they send you a physical plushy in the mail? Maybe you should suggest it to Yoshi-P.

[Abriael]

How did they cost factually nothing?

They cost factually nothing because the money you paid was for the real world item. The in-game item is nothing else than a completely free bonus and has no factual or legal value in the transaction between you and square enix.

The only way for me to get those items was to pay between $10~$100+, even though I was already a subscriber... FFXI has always had microtransactions, and XIV will more than likely follow that trend.

False. Mindlessly repeating an already demolished argument won't really help you.

by your logic, it's totally OK if the vanity pets are free if they send you a physical plushy in the mail?

Can't even follow the logic. May want to try harder. by my logic they could grant an in-game bonus for purchasing a plushie. You're purchasing the plushie, not the in-game item.
Which is entirely ok, and a widely accepted and harmless practice in the industry since WAY before microtransactions were even a thing.

And i'm laughing so hard at you randomly dropping the definition of "RMT" associating it to something that has absolutely nothing to do with it.