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    Aside from Betelguezah's post. I understand everyone's position on this. and agree on difficult targeting. and yes i read developer letters, stating mob size increase was due to difficult targeting.

    Though, it seems, the difficult targeting had mostly to do with rats, bugs, vermin kin.
    Its possible then, the other mobs sizes could have stayed the same, while the "difficult to target" mobs, such as vermin kin only, would have a size increase.
    editing topic then, reduce mobs to original size, minus "difficult to target mobs" such as vermin kin, or other mobs players had issues with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Innes View Post
    @ Betelgeugah right. because Final Fantasy 1-6 used sprites. FF7 and FF9 used exaggerated figures. Realistic porportion is implemented in FFXIV. Realistic. Its ok if you do not understand. Thanks for your post.

    One of the main things for devs is "getting back that FF feeling", realism is not that FF feeling. If the previous 13 games used exaggerated mobs, and if their previous mmo used exaggerated, I hate to say it but........its a standard. Changing up a game from its roots is stupid, no other mmo company does that. If this is a sequel to a game series common elements must be given. Not to mention they didn't learn anything from XI obviously looking at this game.

    Even if EQ and EQII were totally different in lore and everything, common elements from the first game would be seen in the second, and you can tell that mistakes learned in the first were corrected in the 2nd. From XI to XIV I don't see that they improved much, especially giving us a first year of XIV which is exactly like the first crap year of XI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zaviermhigo View Post
    One of the main things for devs is "getting back that FF feeling", realism is not that FF feeling. If the previous 13 games used exaggerated mobs, and if their previous mmo used exaggerated, I hate to say it but........its a standard. Changing up a game from its roots is stupid, no other mmo company does that. If this is a sequel to a game series common elements must be given. Not to mention they didn't learn anything from XI obviously looking at this game.

    Even if EQ and EQII were totally different in lore and everything, common elements from the first game would be seen in the second, and you can tell that mistakes learned in the first were corrected in the 2nd. From XI to XIV I don't see that they improved much, especially giving us a first year of XIV which is exactly like the first crap year of XI.
    i feel you missed it. i get where your coming from, and agree. but you missed it. a lalafell is about waist high to a hyur. hyur shoulder high to an elezen. roegadyns tower all races. a goblin is about lalafell height. a morbol is about 4 times size of a roegadyn. FFXIV is proportionate in its environment, therefore realistic, realistic in its proportions.
    a chocobo is about the size of a real life horse. realistic proportions.
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    I say leave em. I love giant knats and dodos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rinsui View Post
    Fighting a LV 45 tiny squirrel in full plate armour
    and losing to it
    was more ridiculous
    than fighting an oversized squirrel.
    This is absurd. A baby cobra, which doesn't even come up to your ankle, can kill you with a single bite. Size has little to do with deadliness.
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    Last edited by Dreamer; 04-20-2011 at 12:01 PM.

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    Yes. But a baby cobra also dies as soon as I step on it. Not after ten hits with a battleaxe.
    And unless you claim that every single acorn-throwing squirrel, bat, dove and ladybird is covered in adamantium and has razor-sharp 30-inch-claws hidden somewhere inside its cutesy fur,
    their deadlyness
    just doesn't convince me.
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    Ah, and btw: I don't like that Lalafel have the same HP and MP as Roegadyn almost immediately from the start. That's where the realism lacks, in my opinion. No problem with compensating for the one or the other with (race) specific equipment, but at LV 10, a Roegadyn should have significantly more HP (and less MP or less something else) than a Lala.

    I'm well aware that I'm likely in the minority on that matter, but I think not having racial differences is one of the facets of why people do not perceive they play a unique "character". Is being locked into a certain race/class combination better? - arguably not. But at the moment, the only thing differenciating between a Mithra and a Roegadyn is visuals. Boring. I want to look at a tree-tall Roegadyn Paladin and know: "He'll still stand after we've all gone down". Or at a tiny Lala Paladin and know: "He may not be the toughest cookie around, but boy, he's got enough MP to cure whatever hits he takes all by himself".

    That's "character".
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    i think the size increase had more to do with their pathetic targeting system they had than the mobs were too small. i personally think they went way overboard and overkilled the mob increases in size. it's a childish size increase like saying in preschool you can't use a regular pencil so let's use one 4 times as big. i would prefer them to take the mob sizes back to where it was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rinsui View Post
    Fighting a LV 45 tiny squirrel in full plate armour
    and losing to it
    was more ridiculous
    than fighting an oversized squirrel.
    And drakes and hippocerfs falling to tiny lalafells... yeah that's pretty rediculous too imo.

    I liked the original sizes except for the Gnats and coblyns. In the targeting sense, isn't that what they made the new targetting system for?
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    IMO the new size of some monsters is better...like rats, marmots and puks...

    But dodos, coblyns, wolves, gnats and skelletons are completelly oversized now...heck...skelletons are even bigger than roegadyns...what are they skelletons of then?

    IMO, small soil monsters are the ones which really were better bigger...but the others were just uneeded.

    Just like everything, we should've just gottenn a command /enemysize so we can just choose between normal or bigger size.

    Everything has 2 sides...if they were smart, every single change they added would also have a command line to turn on/off.

    /enemysize a/b with "a" being normal and "b" bigger monsters
    /animationspeed a/b with "a" normal and "b" faster
    /battleeffects off/a/b with "off" for removing all animations (sooner or later will be needed), "a" for normal and "b" for bigger

    It all coud be done just as good as /enemyicon & Cia...that was a pro work...the way everything was supposed to be.
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