[dev1022] The Battle Regimen HATE thread and a ply for auto-attack

[Rydin]

1- Actions take time, they aren't instant.
2- Stamina is being actively lost from the moment your gauge reaches 100%.

The gauge wont reach 100% if the BR is executed in a timely manner
And the actions never take as long as it takes to recover the stamina used... so for all intents and purposes, they ARE instant

Despite how usefull Battle Regimes are, it's a rather tedious process to do something so simple. Hell Skillchains were dirt simple compared to this confusion the BR's are.

No, the only real problem is that we as players were never shown how to do them through a tutorial quest or something like it

[Jynx]

To each there own I guess, but 2-4 buttons to pull off a skillchain in XI was much easier than.

Que up action
Wait for other to que actions
Execute regime

Hell I've had instances where me and my BR partner get stuck in some sort of Limbo and have to cancle the whole regime because it wont fire off for either of us.

Hell on my end it was 1 button, 2 if I decided to have a /sh "STARTING SKILLCHAIN GAIS!" but hell maybe thats just me. It was the simplicity of pulling it off once you mastered it that was so smooth and satisfying to know you did well.

This...like many things in XIV has far too many actions between start to finish. Thats just my opinion though.

[Impulse]

This is the only person in the entire thread who seems to have read my full post.

Everyone is pretty much arguing "DUDE, DOING A BR MEANS MORE DAMAGE THAN NOT DOING IT, SO THE DPS DOESN'T GET LOWERED!". When in fact I was arguing that being frozen does lower the DPS for no reason. If you weren't frozen you'd be attacking, and then it'd be more overall damage if the BR didn't kill the mob, aye?

See, I addressed that in my initial post and my subsequent ones aimed at you. Queue only takes "too long" if your group is slow. If the mob doesn't die it's still a hell of a larger chunk of HP taken as opposed to whacking it normally; therefore, the "lost" DPS matters not. What you're saying is contradicting itself.

With skills set up as they are, with weapon skills being akin to normal attacks, a skillchain system a la XI would not work; hence the BR system. You need to time it so the queue limbo is as minimal as possible. The way you want it, there would be constant reactions from people spamming Light and Heavy attacks as those are used within regimes.

TP gain in this game is not the same as it was in XI: you can get to 1000 in a matter of seconds and pop a weaponskill right there. Unless you were a 70+ SAM, DRG/SAM or had a full store TP set you wouldn't be popping out WSes every few hits.
So, there needs to be a medium to decide which attacks, weapon skills and spells are to react to each other; the battle regimes. If you sit in queue you have nobody to blame but yourself and/or your group.

Also, unless your Stamina bar is sitting at full for more than a second, there is no "lost" DPS. Spamming attacks and depleting your bar, then eating it up immediately after having enough attack again is the same as letting it fill a bit more then attacking until it is empty yet again. Letting it sit at full is losing DPS, and if it sits at full during BR queue you have nobody to blame but yourself and your group for being unable to efficiently pull a BR.

On the other hand, if they decide to change how skills work in lieu with the imminent combat changes, then yes; a XI derived WS system may be viable (key words being may and be). However as it is now, battle regimes fit perfectly into the mold of the game.

[Arcell]

Honestly, it's 1 button for me on a controller. Emote button puts your currently selected action into queue for BR. If I have to initiate it, I have to hit G. Anyone can initiate it though, as long as they're participating.

[Rydin]

See, I addressed that in my initial post and my subsequent ones aimed at you. Queue only takes "too long" if your group is slow. If the mob doesn't die it's still a hell of a larger chunk of HP taken as opposed to whacking it normally; therefore, the "lost" DPS matters not. What you're saying is contradicting itself.

With skills set up as they are, with weapon skills being akin to normal attacks, a skillchain system a la XI would not work; hence the BR system. You need to time it so the queue limbo is as minimal as possible. The way you want it, there would be constant reactions from people spamming Light and Heavy attacks as those are used within regimes.

TP gain in this game is not the same as it was in XI: you can get to 1000 in a matter of seconds and pop a weaponskill right there. Unless you were a 70+ SAM, DRG/SAM or had a full store TP set you wouldn't be popping out WSes every few hits.
So, there needs to be a medium to decide which attacks, weapon skills and spells are to react to each other; the battle regimes. If you sit in queue you have nobody to blame but yourself and/or your group.

Also, unless your Stamina bar is sitting at full for more than a second, there is no "lost" DPS. Spamming attacks and depleting your bar, then eating it up immediately after having enough attack again is the same as letting it fill a bit more then attacking until it is empty yet again. Letting it sit at full is losing DPS, and if it sits at full during BR queue you have nobody to blame but yourself and your group for being unable to efficiently pull a BR.

On the other hand, if they decide to change how skills work in lieu with the imminent combat changes, then yes; a XI derived WS system may be viable (key words being may and be). However as it is now, battle regimes fit perfectly into the mold of the game.

/church

Honestly, it's 1 button for me on a controller. Emote button puts your currently selected action into queue for BR. If I have to initiate it, I have to hit G. Anyone can initiate it though, as long as they're participating.

You don't use the menu button on the controller?

[Firon]

Well here is my 2 cents on BR's. I was playing earlier today killing the dodo nm for a shield for a friend the whole fight just included: Step 1 everyone stack normal attack. step 2 : everyone stack buff's and a ws before ruin goes away. It got pretty boring after while just spamming everything in br mode tbh i hope they come up with something better to make chars link attacks together it was rather boring after a while.

[Rydin]

Well here is my 2 cents on BR's. I was playing earlier today killing the dodo nm for a shield for a friend the whole fight just included: Step 1 everyone stack normal attack. step 2 : everyone stack buff's and a ws before ruin goes away. It got pretty boring after while just spamming everything in br mode tbh i hope they come up with something better to make chars link attacks together it was rather boring after a while.

They could definitely expand it with better animations and more combinations of attacks though
But I can see that on the horizon

[Eldaena]

I take it that you have never studied any type of social or neurology science before. Yes, opinions can be wrong. You may feel that something is true, when it is actually false. This, again, is an incorrect opinion. Let's say..."In my opinion, salads are more unhealthy than any other food because of pesticides." Am I wrong? Yes.

I think you just have your own opinion on what the definition of opinion is.

1. A view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.
2. The beliefs or views of a large number or majority of people about a particular thing.

It doesn't matter if it's based on fact or not, it's still how they feel and so it can't be wrong. People in general have the wonderful gift of giving meaning to whatever they decide to give meaning to. All i can say in your defense is you find the definition of opinion to be in the opinion of many and in being so, not necessarily fact. And thus, you can believe that opinions can be wrong because it is IN your opinion, that they can.

Which leads one to question, what is fact? Fact is just what several people believe to be true. Which...wouldn't that mean it's just that they think/feel/believe it to be so? Does that mean that all fact is just opinions generally accepted just because so many people agree? Well then, how could anyone ever be wrong? Or better, how could anyone ever be right?

You can't have it both ways. It can't be a black and white world, and a gray world too. It's all gray and just varying shades of it. If you want to be, in my opinion, a lowly person to say anyone's way of feeling or thinking is just plain wrong, then so be it. I hope you enjoy it.

Good story. =)

(Before you even get on my case about what fact is, all that anyone truly knows is we live and we die. Everything else in between is a man-made invention. It is only truth to those who believe it so.)