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    Quote Originally Posted by Xatsh View Post
    Soloing say you make 40k/hr... so you solo for 2hrs and get your 80k/hr

    Grouping you get 40k/hr... Take 15-20mins to make your party, then go level. In 2hrs you get ~60k/hr


    There for Solo > Group


    Also if solo = group the majority will take the easy way, meaning the vast majority will just solo because it is easier, a hell of alot easier.

    So since grouping takes more then 1 person, and more people want to take the easy way and just solo. You now increase the party wait time to 45-60mins if you make the party... potentially 5-6hrs if you are waiting to get an invite as a DD class.



    Yea It is not equal. Group based XP must be better then Solo per hour or everyone. EVEN THOSE WHO HATE IT will solo quest because they have no option. It is called forced soloing, which has no place in mmos. It is the MAIN problem in WoW, Aion, Rift, Tera, AoC, SWToR, and so on progression wise.

    Casual do not want forced partying... I and many many others do not want FORCED SOLOING.
    I hate to break your logic, but you could always solo until you get a group...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorMog View Post
    I hate to break your logic, but you could always solo until you get a group...
    I would rather go to work then solo quest.

    Sorry but quest grinding solo is the least fun thing in the entire mmo genre for me. It is simply not an option. It is why I could never get past level 50 in WoW... it is just too casual for a hardcore to play.

    Casuals can have their solo, but it better not screw up my party play. This is a mmo not a offline FF game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xatsh View Post
    I would rather go to work then solo quest.

    Sorry but quest grinding solo is the least fun thing in the entire mmo genre for me. It is simply not an option. It is why I could never get past level 50 in WoW... it is just too casual for a hardcore to play.

    Casuals can have their solo, but it better not screw up my party play. This is a mmo not a offline FF game.
    good news for you than, if you don't like to do quests you can join instances and grind XP in parties doing instances. Doing instances is more fun than just plain grinding, as you still get to kill tons of monsters in a group, but also get to kill bosses and get some loot, all while grinding XP =)
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    Quote Originally Posted by AdorraEloom View Post
    good news for you than, if you don't like to do quests you can join instances and grind XP in parties doing instances. Doing instances is more fun than just plain grinding, as you still get to kill tons of monsters in a group, but also get to kill bosses and get some loot, all while grinding XP =)
    Name 1 mmo where that happen.

    You get people who want to rush to the boss. YOU NEVER get a party that wants to xp in a dungeon. And I do not want 30min partys, that and GROUPING IN INSTANCES ONLY IS EPIC FAIL! If I wanted that kind of game I would play diablo, I would like to play a mmo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xatsh View Post
    Name 1 mmo where that happen.

    You get people who want to rush to the boss. YOU NEVER get a party that wants to xp in a dungeon. And I do not want 30min partys, that and GROUPING IN INSTANCES ONLY IS EPIC FAIL! If I wanted that kind of game I would play diablo, I would like to play a mmo.
    lol...calm down...The reason not many people did that in FFXIV is because speed run = 5th chest that has darklight bodies. Also I did go and grind in cutters cry instance, we grinded on the princess since she would just summon so many adds. Spiritbonding wut wut.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xatsh View Post
    Name 1 mmo where that happen.

    You get people who want to rush to the boss. YOU NEVER get a party that wants to xp in a dungeon. And I do not want 30min partys, that and GROUPING IN INSTANCES ONLY IS EPIC FAIL!
    I could name a few, but than people would get angry at me for saying MOM upside down XD. But instance xping is pretty common, specially with rested XP. You can hop from instance to instance in the same party for few hours. In other MMO's that I have played, instance grinding was probably the fastest way to gain XP, way faster than grinding quests. Not sure how ARR will be but from what I understand this will be possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AdorraEloom View Post
    I could name a few, but than people would get angry at me for saying MOM upside down XD. But instance xping is pretty common, specially with rested XP. You can hop from instance to instance in the same party for few hours. In other MMO's that I have played, instance grinding was probably the fastest way to gain XP, way faster than grinding quests. Not sure how ARR will be but from what I understand this will be possible.

    If I remember a translation correctly back when Yoshida was talking about how dungeon loot would roll out - he said there would be level instances as one of the means of leveling, for those who did all the quests (which he said there are a lot of), and dont want to do other contents like FATES, leves, and behests (guildhest).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shougun View Post
    If I remember a translation correctly back when Yoshida was talking about how dungeon loot would roll out - he said there would be level instances as one of the means of leveling, for those who did all the quests (which he said there are a lot of), and dont want to do other contents like FATES, leves, and behests (guildhest).
    I remember seeing that translation somewhere too, and I understood it the same way as you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xatsh View Post
    Name 1 mmo where that happen.

    You get people who want to rush to the boss. YOU NEVER get a party that wants to xp in a dungeon. And I do not want 30min partys, that and GROUPING IN INSTANCES ONLY IS EPIC FAIL! If I wanted that kind of game I would play diablo, I would like to play a mmo.
    Everquest, Ragnarok Online, Heck you can argue that Korean MMOs like Vindictus and DFO have made it a whole GENRE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xatsh View Post
    Name 1 mmo where that happen.

    You get people who want to rush to the boss. YOU NEVER get a party that wants to xp in a dungeon. And I do not want 30min partys, that and GROUPING IN INSTANCES ONLY IS EPIC FAIL! If I wanted that kind of game I would play diablo, I would like to play a mmo.
    Ill give you an example of a mmo leveling in dungeons. You can level in WoW by doing queuing up for dungeons and not touching a single quest. The dungeons are very linear that you kill all the trash mobs in the way to each boss that gives lots of exp. When finished with the final boss you queue up for another one. Some people who don't like questing choose to run dungeons over and over as a way to level up.
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