The growing entitlement issues of the casuals

[Krausus]

Bingo.



It's even worse when those casual players complain in derogatory manners about how since they don't have as much time to play because they're out there working for a living that they should get a break.

I Think the issue is most "hardcore" (whatever that means in this game) players lump all the casual together. I mean I play casual but I fully support hardcore play styles and the ability to enjoy aspects of MMOs that casual can not. That doesnt mean a game needs to cater to one or the other, the most successful of MMOs will be one that can cater to both.

And sorry this thread was way to long to read through all the posts if this has been mentioned before. Also why was the other thread closed about hardcore and this one remained open? They should both be closed I highly doubt anything good can come from either.

[TheVedis]

I Think the issue is most "hardcore" (whatever that means in this game) players lump all the casual together. I mean I play casual but I fully support hardcore play styles and the ability to enjoy aspects of MMOs that casual can not. That doesnt mean a game needs to cater to one or the other, the most successful of MMOs will be one that can cater to both.

And sorry this thread was way to long to read through all the posts if this has been mentioned before. Also why was the other thread closed about hardcore and this one remained open? They should both be closed I highly doubt anything good can come from either.

what this thread has come down to is actualy the opposite of what you said
its a bunch of casuals complaining and clumping together what hardcores think and totaly ignoring anything but their own selfish whims thinking everything should be how they want it

hardcores want something
casuals tell them they arent allowed to have it
hardcores tell casuals they can keep their stuff, but they want something too
casuals tell them to get bent and that they will never get it cuz they dont matter

this is pretty much what this thread degenerated into long ago

[Kilta_Firelotus]

what this thread has come down to is actualy the opposite of what you said
its a bunch of casuals complaining and clumping together what hardcores think and totaly ignoring anything but their own selfish whims thinking everything should be how they want it

hardcores want something
casuals tell them they arent allowed to have it
hardcores tell casuals they can keep their stuff, but they want something too
casuals tell them to get bent and that they will never get it cuz they dont matter

this is pretty much what this thread degenerated into long ago

you know that isn't true 80% of the casual side want challenging content they can access. That hard core want seperated content.

Stop lieing cuz it causing uneeded drama guys. Everyone should top lumping each other in piles and call each other trash. This thread needs to get locked I swear its nothing but a big flame war. Its stupid, has no point, and really no one is even being truthful.

[TheVedis]

you know that isn't true 80% of the casual side want challenging content they can access. That hard core want seperated content.

Stop lieing cuz it causing uneeded drama guys. Everyone should top lumping each other in piles and call each other trash. This thread needs to get locked I swear its nothing but a big flame war. Its stupid, has no point, and really no one is even being truthful.

thanks for proving my point, hello prime suspect #1

[Kilta_Firelotus]

thanks for proving my point, hello prime suspect #1

I proved nothing. I am by no means a "casual" player I hate labling like that. This is getting out of hand. Its a game for crying out loud people. Why is everyone stressing out over it. Its stupid, waste of time, waste of space, and only serve to seperate what lil community is in the game.

I was saying the truth nor was meaning it in a bad way. Stop acting like preshool children who fight over something so redundent as, 1 swing over 100 free ones.

You guys knew the game was going to dip more to be less time consuming, tanaka's words btw. And honestly if that was what makes you upset great, you just prooved youself in being an addict. Take a break from gaming spend time with friends or family or both. read books. Play card games, go for walks. There is no reason to fight about how a game is. It is childish.

[Kaedan]

what this thread has come down to is actualy the opposite of what you said
its a bunch of casuals complaining and clumping together what hardcores think and totaly ignoring anything but their own selfish whims thinking everything should be how they want it

hardcores want something
casuals tell them they arent allowed to have it
hardcores tell casuals they can keep their stuff, but they want something too
casuals tell them to get bent and that they will never get it cuz they dont matter

this is pretty much what this thread degenerated into long ago

Yup, very much this.
More specifically: "hardcores tell casuals they can keep their stuff, but they want something too" or hardcores suggest alternatives that would satisfy both camps, yet are ignored and attacked out of some sort of twisted "principle".

[Kilta_Firelotus]

Yup, very much this.
More specifically: "hardcores tell casuals they can keep their stuff, but they want something too" or hardcores suggest alternatives that would satisfy both camps, yet are ignored and attacked out of some sort of twisted "principle".

Sorry these lies are going to far.... All anyone cares about is having fun. No need for the petty fights or mudslinging. Stop attack posters. Stop saying ooo you got a x amount of posts... really post count means nothing on here, stop using it as ammo to insult others. Stop acting like children is all i'm asking. And for a mod to lock the thread.

[Arcell]

Yup, very much this.
More specifically: "hardcores tell casuals they can keep their stuff, but they want something too" or hardcores suggest alternatives that would satisfy both camps, yet are ignored and attacked out of some sort of twisted "principle".

Both sides have offered suggestions that satisfy both camps and both have been told to shove it by the other side.

[Kaedan]

Both sides have offered suggestions that satisfy both camps and both have been told to shove it by the other side.

I disagree. By and large most of the casual arguments refuse to give way to any sort of middle ground. Hell, I suggested that NM respawns be increased to 10 minutes instead of 3-5 min, and my throat was immediately pounced on. I'm not denying that there aren't hardcores that do the same thing, but their numbers are much smaller.

[Dubont]

I disagree. By and large most of the casual arguments refuse to give way to any sort of middle ground. Hell, I suggested that NM respawns be increased to 10 minutes instead of 3-5 min, and my throat was immediately pounced on. I'm not denying that there aren't hardcores that do the same thing, but their numbers are much smaller.

There is no difference between "hardcore" and "casual" gamers other than the amount of time that we put into the game. Discriminating against a player because of their time restraints should be frowned upon...