I sort of wish players could only choose one job.

[LemmingKingXXX]

And I'm not against it, I know why the game has the job changing feature and I'm glad it has it but in terms of immersion I don't like.

That good ol' "i" word, it's become so easily used despite the context being so deep. Everyone has their own definition of "i", and everyone has a different degree to which they would like a game to be "i", which is why I don't think anyone's going to win an argument by bringing it up. Trying to change a game based on your ideas around "i" seems to me to be similar to trying to change someone's fundamental perspectives on life and the world around them, it's extremely hard and you'll never get them to agree with you 100% because personal perspectives are born from life chemical wiring and the life experiences which lay cable and redirect current.

I probably read books, watch movies and television shows and play video games for at least slightly different reasons and with at least a slightly different mindset than anyone else in this thread, and all of our perspectives will change over time as well so it seems ill advised to attempt to use "i" as an argument towards a change. "i" is purely a matter of opinion, even when the level of 4th wall demolition is Deadpool tier simply because someone can find that to be enough for them. When it comes to "i", different strokes abound and none of them are objectively wrong.

[Altena]

That good ol' "i" word, it's become so easily used despite the context being so deep. Everyone has their own definition of "i", and everyone has a different degree to which they would like a game to be "i", which is why I don't think anyone's going to win an argument by bringing it up. Trying to change a game based on your ideas around "i" seems to me to be similar to trying to change someone's fundamental perspectives on life and the world around them, it's extremely hard and you'll never get them to agree with you 100% because personal perspectives are born from life chemical wiring and the life experiences which lay cable and redirect current.

I probably read books, watch movies and television shows and play video games for at least slightly different reasons and with at least a slightly different mindset than anyone else in this thread, and all of our perspectives will change over time as well so it seems ill advised to attempt to use "i" as an argument towards a change. "i" is purely a matter of opinion, even when the level of 4th wall demolition is Deadpool tier simply because someone can find that to be enough for them. When it comes to "i", different strokes abound and none of them are objectively wrong.

An argument / disagreement usually have only 2 sides.

10 "i"s is a stronger side of the argument to 3 "i"s. Majority matters. Perceptions / opinions / life experience can vary to a huge extent, but there are often only 2 sides to a coin. 1 side is usually more dominant then the other. This thread is an example of that.

This example is shown in the first 2 posts.
The OP has 11 likes
The next post has 63.

/closethread.

[LemmingKingXXX]

An argument / disagreement usually have only 2 sides.

10 "i"s is a stronger side of the argument to 3 "i"s. Majority matters. Perceptions / opinions / life experience can vary to a huge extent, but there are often only 2 sides to a coin. 1 side is usually more dominant then the other. This thread is an example of that.

This example is shown in the first 2 posts.
The OP has 11 likes
The next post has 63.

/closethread.

I really gotta remember to quote things in my posts so that people know exactly who I'm responding to, my bad.
I actually agree with you, my long winded point was that using immersion as some sort of appeal is a bad way to try win an argument. I agree that using consensus is a better way to win an argument where facts have little to no bearing like design decisions on a video game. If you can get the majority of the playerbase to agree with a design decision, it's far more likely to be implemented (I doubt many developers would intentionally put things into a game that they know everyone would hate), but going back to my original point I think only some of that majority would agree because of how the decision affected their immersion. It's a valid reason to enjoy something, just not a strong argument.