Thoughts on the Colosseum and PvP

[KiraHime]

Kind of off topic as what I'm going to talk about is actually PvE but could still tie into the coliseum.

Forgive me for referencing FFXI, but the Treasures of Aht Urgan expansion featured 5 NPC's knows as the Serpent Generals. There was a series of side quests you could undertake each one asking you to undertake a certain task during which you learnt more about the back story of a general and how they came to their position. After you had completed these quests, another was unlocked with the reward being an entry item for a one of fight against the serpent generals (There was no reward for this fight).

I see the 3 Grand Company leaders as the FFXIV equivalent of the generals and I know they have a massive fan following. I wondered if anyone else would like a chance to be able to unlock a fight in the coliseum against your own GC leader or all 3 either solo or as a group. At the same time it would give the devs a way to give us more back story on them.

Again I don't think this should be a fight for a reward more the chance to fight these epic NPC's for the thrill of it. If people want a reward maybe a trophy incorperating the weapons of the generals for a house may be appropriate.

[Altena]

I could be wrong but I swear I can remember some dev post regarding PvP and spectating.. I think it was in that "spectator mode for dungeons" thread weeks ago.. Once again I could have dreamt it or something.

[3Jane]

PvP can stay out of this game for all I care. It's already served to dumb down the combat system and the game isn't even out. Just wait for all that "balancing" goodness in the future!

Very true, it doesn't belong here.

[ZakarnRosewood]

I could be wrong but I swear I can remember some dev post regarding PvP and spectating.. I think it was in that "spectator mode for dungeons" thread weeks ago.. Once again I could have dreamt it or something.

You do remember correctly, On page three i shared that comment:

Quote Originally Posted by Rukkirii View Post
I see you guys want to be able to spectate events such as raids! While we are currently looking into making this possible for coliseum events, so those that are not brawling can watch on and cheer, we do not have any plans to introduce this for battle content such as raids. The main reason is that we believe some players do not want to be watched by others as they play, and also there is possibility that unwanted videos or screenshots crop up.

@ 3Jane:
Random PvP anywhere in a zone does not belong in FFXIV, but that is not what we are talking about. I like the idea they are having PvP as a competition thing rather than a PK thing Thus my attempt to think of ways to make that kind of combat interesting. The nice thing about this is it shouldnt require balancing like PvP in WoW or guildwars would as they had a larger focus on it and it had a different dynamic in their worlds. But at this point i am merely speculating since we have not heard much by way of official information.

[Matsume]

From the horses mouth:

In this ChinaJoy2012 interview, Yoshi P confirms:

Q: What about PvP?
A: There will not be open PvP/ PK, and both players must mutually agree to a PvP match. Final Fantasy XIV will be the first game in the franchise to have a “meaningful” PvP system, hence I urge players to try it out.The word "meaningful" is left open to interpretation...

Q: Is it fair to say the PvP in Final Fantasy XIV is somewhat similar to World of Warcraft’s?
A: We will have a PvP arena, which is similar to the one found in World of Warcraft. Our PvP team members played many matches in World of Warcraft. Personally, I am a player of Dark Age of Camelot, a PvP-centric MMO

*text in red is my commentary

From the original pdf under the category Battle Systems:

Two PvP venues, Coliseum and Frontlines, to be released after version 2.0. Unique zones to be created so as not to affect non-participating players. Release of PvP-specific abilities, gear, and ranking.

[ZakarnRosewood]

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Thank you! i knew there was little tidbits of info i had picked up somewhere. Thanks a bunch for the links!

[AdorraEloom]

Would like pvp in the colosseum to have 1v1, 2v2, 3v3, and 4v4 matches. Would also like it have some kind of a roster, kind of like how you could see the top 20 people who donated in hamlet in 1.0. The roster would be based on wins, also each win would gain you some pvp points which could be used to purchase new armors, weapons, and materia.

Having spectators would be nice, but if there is only 1 battle arena in the colosseum it would make long wait times for people to participate in battle, so instead I would rather have the arena instanced, so if you Q in to participate in a fight the server would match you up against an opponent fairly quick, hopefully within 1-3min. Perhaps spectators could choose from a list of instances that are hosting a battle they wish to join and watch could work as well.

PVE in the colosseum would be cool as well, fighting a huge behemoth in the colosseum would be super fun, maybe add different difficulties to the beasts as well, normal, hard, and heroic and each difficulty would yield different rewards off course.

[ZakarnRosewood]

Thanks! Edited OP to reflect the new suggestions.

[Alkimi]

Although he has said there will be no open world PvP it would be nice to see in the future maybe an 'alternate reality' or something (like XI's WoTG Shadowrealm) where all 3 nations are at war with each other and you have to fight for areas/carry out infiltrations etc.

Obviously it won't be for everyone and should have little to no bearing on the PvE game but it might be fun and rewarding if done right.

[Matsume]

Although he has said there will be no open world PvP it would be nice to see in the future maybe an 'alternate reality' or something (like XI's WoTG Shadowrealm) where all 3 nations are at war with each other and you have to fight for areas/carry out infiltrations etc.

Obviously it won't be for everyone and should have little to no bearing on the PvE game but it might be fun and rewarding if done right.

Isn't this how DAoC pvp worked? Weren' there three factions that were mutually at war with another not unlike WoW's Horde vs Alliance with borderlands that acted as semi open world pvp zones? I never played DAoC personally but I think it functioned something along those lines on the normal servers. Correct me if i'm wrong! Just bringing it up since Yoshida personally says he is a fan of DAoC pvp. So it might not be too far a stretch and if enough players like the idea maybe it can happen!

However the three nations warring against each other would be counter productive in so far as having formed an alliance to combat the empire. I'm guessing the lore behind the pvp colliseum/frontlines will be along the lines of a cooperative competative spirit amongst factions so as to prove who is the strongest while at the same time supporting each other in training to combat the empire together. I doubt we will ever see ourselves slaying each other on the battlefield and looting other players corpses however fun it might be.