dev1031 You are losing your main playerbase by making things too easy/fast/casual

[Mitsuhide]

Yet every single popular MMO has time sinks. Your argument makes no sense. The only way to avoid time sinks even in this day and age is to simply not play an MMO. They are all filled with time sinks.

The fact that most of them sugar coat it with achievements and rep grinds that give you mediocre gear and mounts doesn't make them any less a time sink.

Of course you have to invest time to play a MMO.
But if the MMO requires a whole week for single Item and more importantly if it doesnt offer activities were you get an almost equally Item, then its just forcing you to something boring which i would call timesink not time investment. (it was just an extreme example)

Someone wrote something that Life ist casual too, wow one of the few things that is actually true.
And that is what many people just dont want, they dont want a Real life Simulation, were they come Home from work and do the same in a Game.
There are different opinions of how much time you have to offer to earn a single Item, i dont want to sit around, thats all i want Challenge.
If a Dungeons requires more than an Hour/2-3-4 or whatever, thats fine, as long is i dont have to sit around and wait for respawn.(again an extreme example)

And honestly, i dont care about punishment for death but why should it add difficulty?.
As for me, i just have to grind to get the same amount of XP again and then repeat...if i die again the same, so i dont really get that point.

[Winterclaw]

This thread is why we can't have nice things.

[Visch]

This thread is why we can't have nice things.

You can have anything you want because NMs repop fast then normal mobs LOL

[C56]

This thread is why we can't have nice things.

Exactly, people won't stop complaining that everything is too casual, well guess what, they planned that from the start. They just added a few mid level nms to appease most of the players who are stuck in the 30 to 40 level range, This was not end game content, it was something fun for new players/mid level players to enjoy.

You "Hard core" people need to get over yourselves, this game was never ment to be hard core, it was always ment to be casual. They even said in early interviews that FFXI was their hardcore game, and FFXIV was more casual where you only had to play a few hours a day to progress.

This game was never going to be FFXI-2, it's a casual game, and from their previous patches they don't seem to plan on changing it. So move on now if your expecting 5 days worth of grinding to get a stupid level 15 hand to hand weapon like in FFXI, cause that's never going to happen. Your over inflated egos, and constant e-peen stroking is what ruined FFXI for a lot of people, and I don't want FFXIV ruined aswell.

[Zenaku]

Exactly, people won't stop complaining that everything is too casual, well guess what, they planned that from the start. They just added a few mid level nms to appease most of the players who are stuck in the 30 to 40 level range, This was not end game content, it was something fun for new players/mid level players to enjoy.

You "Hard core" people need to get over yourselves, this game was never ment to be hard core, it was always ment to be casual. They even said in early interviews that FFXI was their hardcore game, and FFXIV was more casual where you only had to play a few hours a day to progress.

This game was never going to be FFXI-2, it's a casual game, and from their previous patches they don't seem to plan on changing it. So move on now if your expecting 5 days worth of grinding to get a stupid level 15 hand to hand weapon like in FFXI, cause that's never going to happen. Your over inflated egos, and constant e-peen stroking is what ruined FFXI for a lot of people, and I don't want FFXIV ruined aswell.

ya but ffxi is no longer hardcore lol so they both casual now so now all we want is something fun that is hard not something that wont take hours to do i don't know about the other players but i want something hard that wont take hours to do. Something can be casual and hard.

[Petori]

It's funny how some of FFXI players feel like they are or should be the center of attention.

[Zenaku]

It's funny how some of FFXI players feel like they are or should be the center of attention.

Listen that happen in every game players would think there the center attention. I think SE should not listen to us so much -.- if they do this just going to become a lame low casual game with noting really hard. like what happen to wow when bizzard listen to there player base.

Listen to us without really listening to us. make the game hard and still casual i don't think that very hard.

[Visch]

Listen that happen in every game players would think there the center attention. I think SE should not listen to us so much -.- if they do this just going to become a lame low casual game with noting really hard. like what happen to wow when bizzard listen to there player base.

Listen to us without really listening to us. make the game hard and still casual i don't think that very hard.

I agree. Listening to the players is not a good thing. SE is just doing it now because of how bad the release was.

[C56]

Listen that happen in every game players would think there the center attention. I think SE should not listen to us so much -.- if they do this just going to become a lame low casual game with noting really hard. like what happen to wow when bizzard listen to there player base.

Listen to us without really listening to us. make the game hard and still casual i don't think that very hard.

I'm all for challenging fights, but the ridiculous time sinks people seem to want are nothing but a waist of time, they are not hardcore, they just show you have more free time then people who have a lot going on -_-

[Zenaku]

I'm all for challenging fights, but the ridiculous time sinks people seem to want are nothing but a waist of time, they are not hardcore, they just show you have more free time then people who have a lot going on -_-

i agree i don't want something that would take 5-6hours with 8 players -.- i want something that at least last 1hour at best. but something that would only last 10-30mins is not very fun. The less time it is the more you have to redo them and you get bored of it so 40min-1hour ish is good enough time.

@Visch ya but now with the forums they just going to go on listening to us. The sad part is that they be listening to the same players too they quit so all going to happen is make this game fit the views of the few who are on here not the overall. i think a player poll would do much better and see the other fansite of this game to get more overall idea. maybe do a poll each month and before you log in you have to do a short poll and that be better making everyone do it.