Shiva model!

[Shougun]

Again, that's an ignorance thing. If people had looked up what 3D art creation involves after Ferne directly stated what this Shiva was and how it was created, it would've avoided confusion. If you see a model, don't assume you know what you're looking at or what stage it's in and if you're told what you're looking at and don't know what that means you might want to find out before you assume.

Why can't you do a 180 in the creation process? Changing color is as easy as clicking a button. Artists often use placeholder colors and other things before they implement the true and actual colors. That aspect isn't even specific to the 3D process. Topically speaking, I think it's more reasonable to assume they'd stick to their own design, which is finished, than do a 180 and make the final look like what we see now. But that's just me.

Even if you looked it up, like I did it wouldn't change much. When I read - no where did it say "color it like you dont want it to look like". Also if you see something, even if you dont understand it, you can comment on it as much as you want (I bet more then 80% of the items sitting next to you right now you can't explain fully, including the how to use, how to make, and how its derivatives are formed - yet you probably have made a comment about all of them Like "windows sux, or rox").

I dont know a thing about making movies, I'd probably make one of the worst movies ever - but that doesnt mean I cant say a movie was really bad, the camera work was horrible, ect ect.

You can do a 180 in the process, but it isn't expected - and you would even less expect someone to do it on purpose (not that the whole of shiva is a 180 but changing her from a humanoid likeness to freezy ice is a big change in color scheme).


A lack of knowledge in the subject matter did affect the conversation, but it is indeed a perfectly good excuse. Now if only the side that didnt know just commented on the model and not so much on the colors and the people that did know stop acting like everyone is such a damn noob and should be ashamed (not everyone fits either category, like there are many who took back some of their comments after learning more and some that just kept on making pictures and teaching).

"No its not an excuse" I hope you can follow this (going to make it corny ):

Aliens come to earth and will let the world live if you can shoot a soda can 100 feet away the first time. However, never shooting a gun before you fail and the world dies. Your ignorance cost the world its life. IT is however not expected you could have done it because you didnt know how, therefore it is a perfectly valid excuse.

So two fold - you dont need to know everything in order to talk about it, and ignorance -can- be an excuse.

[EinSoFZ]

Ein that's silly, It's a case of "You don't know what you don't know" If they don't know about about 3D image creation how would they even know what to look up?! \o.O/

I do know what they DID look up, All the Shiva images from Final Fantasy and Beyond!

Cuz they know sum bout THAT and THIS Shiva ain't THAT

lol

I covered that.....Ferne said:

(This is normal map sculpt data created using ZBrush for those of you keeping track)

The people in the thread that helped to explain ZBrush and normal map sculpts helped greatly before it was apparently necessary for Ferne to need to come in and say himself that it's a WIP. Before those knowledgeable about ZBrush etc. clarified it, google could've explained the same thing.

[Aion]

People have right to be confused when looking at the model, yes. But the problem is, SEVERAL posters have already explaining what is it (Zbrush,mapping etc), but the other posters continue slagging the model. I think it is an indirect insult to those who have the knowledge on it, but thats FF XIV forum for you....

[EinSoFZ]

Even if you looked it up, like I did it wouldn't change much. When I read - no where did it say "color it like you dont want it to look like". Also if you see something, even if you dont understand it, you can comment on it as much as you want (I bet more then 80% of the items sitting next to you right now you can't explain fully, including the how to use, how to make, and how its derivatives are formed - yet you probably have made a comment about all of them Like "windows sux, or rox").

I dont know a thing about making movies, I'd probably make one of the worst movies ever - but that doesnt mean I cant say a movie was really bad, the camera work was horrible, ect ect.

You can do a 180 in the process, but it isn't expected - and you would even less expect someone to do it on purpose (not that the whole of shiva is a 180 but changing her from a humanoid likeness to freezy ice is a big change in color scheme).


A lack of knowledge in the subject matter did affect the conversation, but it is indeed a perfectly good excuse. Now if only the side that didnt know just commented on the model and not so much on the colors and the people that did know stop acting like everyone is such a damn noob and should be ashamed (not everyone fits either category, like there are many who took back some of their comments after learning more and some that just kept on making pictures and teaching).

"No its not an excuse" I hope you can follow this (going to make it corny ):

Aliens come to earth and will let the world live if you can shoot a soda can 100 feet away the first time. However, never shooting a gun before you fail and the world dies. Your ignorance cost the world its life. IT is however not expected you could have done it because you didnt know how, therefore it is a perfectly valid excuse.

So two fold - you dont need to know everything in order to talk about it, and ignorance -can- be an excuse.

Now I'm not saying that people can't discuss it or that their input isn't valuable if they're not very knowledgeable at all. I'm only saying that before people got all up in arms and quite literally got mad she looked this way, a little self-education would've gone a long way. The color scheme chosen to ease it on the eyes was completely the artist's choice. People who are ignorant shouldn't jump to conclusions....from what I saw that was the problem. They colored her like that so obviously they've chosen to use this new color design for her! That's not like Shiva at all!

Artists do 180's all the time. They generally don't do them when there is an official design they are following. Yes, they're going to make her cape red when it's white in the official design. That'd be like making Garuda pink and then having all of this artwork around where she's green (they could actually make Garuda pink with a few clicks). Contradictory.

It's tough to explain my thought process on the matter, but to me it's like 1 + 1 = 2. When I look at the other primals, I saw that they strictly followed the 2D complete design; same colors, same hair/face/etc. appears in the final 3D image we saw in the game. That combined with a little knowledge about 3D creation just led me to believe it couldn't possibly be anything more than a WIP that would be changed from colors to resolution. In a way it's like people were saying SE wasn't even going to stick to their own design based on nothing more than this preview.

I see your intent with your example on ignorance, but if ignorance is an excuse it's a really bad one however accurate or unavoidable it was. Sometimes it's unavoidable to be ignorant since no one knows everything and there's no time to learn what you're dealing with. In the case of this thread, there's no alien force putting the gun to people before they reply

[Shougun]

People have right to be confused when looking at the model, yes. But the problem is, SEVERAL posters have already explaining what is it (Zbrush,mapping etc), but the other posters continue slagging the model. I think it is an indirect insult to those who have the knowledge on it, but thats FF XIV forum for you....

Well purposely remaining ignorant is different :P (I think most people talking bad about it (colors wise) didn't read the posts telling people what was what, I know someone commented right after Fern and then was like "edit: Well.. nvm lol")

But "that's the forums for you" is indeed probably the most accurate answer to every issue lol

/creatememe
/grab "ohyou.jpg" -"oh you" + "Thats the forums for you"
/print

[KittenStomper]

The images are of a a high-res normal-map sculpt.

The colors you see will not be used for her in-game model.

Once the game model is finished, and it it has been given the real-time shaders (including colors/effects), it will look almost exactly like the concept art.

I'm quite pleased with her design~

Could we have a high-res version of the concept art please?



You have it exactly right.

The colors used in the Sculpt (yes, even the hair colors) are just there for the artist to help distinguish between sub-objects, or for a quick reference for review.

color and textures are find and all. but howabout her face, and how tall she is.. and how changing the model color to blue and touch up on the textures isnt going to make her look like shiva?

This looks like Shiva's twerpy little sister.

[Shougun]

color and textures are find and all. but howabout her face, and how tall she is.. and how changing the model color to blue and touch up on the textures isnt going to make her look like shiva?

Slightly confused but if I read your last sentence right, then changing the colors to cool colors and adding textures will make her look pretty Shiva like (imo) - after that they might add some shaders like shinny sparkles of fun.

Without a scale next to her we really cant say how tall she is, they could have really zoomed in on a tiny model- or it could be freaking huge.. lol

[KittenStomper]

Slightly confused but if I read your last sentence right, then changing the colors to cool colors and adding textures will make her look pretty Shiva like (imo) - after that they might add some shaders like shinny sparkles of fun.

Without a scale next to her we really cant say how tall she is, they could have really zoomed in on a tiny model- or it could be freaking huge.. lol

Her face is all wrong man, blue, purple, green, whatever... its not a shiva face... it belongs somewhere else.

[Shougun]

Her face is all wrong man, blue, purple, green, whatever... its not a shiva face... it belongs somewhere else.

Are you talking about the multicolored hair? They could be using the many colors as place holders for ice or shades of blue, without an interview with the artist we dont know - maybe he did it because he wanted to punk her out .

I think her face is much "sharper and younger" then the concept arts - but seeing its a WIP maybe they will be working to the concept art more. I'd have to agree that I can see a physical face difference in the model - one which I prefer the concept art's shape more.

Though in the wider angle shot you can hardly tell.

(Looking at the photos again - its crazy how much detail goes into these models, I remember seeing some monster designs in 1.0... holy crap XD).

[Imoen]

Are you talking about the multicolored hair? They could be using the many colors as place holders for ice or shades of blue, without an interview with the artist we dont know - maybe he did it because he wanted to punk her out .

I think her face is much "sharper and younger" then the concept arts - but seeing its a WIP maybe they will be working to the concept art more. I'd have to agree that I can see a physical face difference in the model - one which I prefer the concept art's shape more.

Though in the wider angle shot you can hardly tell.

She is speaking of the face itself, shes saying "it doesn't matter the color the face doesn't look right." (Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong kittenstomper.)

I'm not a huge fan of Shivas face or Garudas face for this game but I think it is a stylistic choice. I don't feel strongly for or against it, I just know its not my fav of the series.