Scared about ARR

[Wicka]

I read the first post and didn't bother reading the rest of the thread.

I don't understand what people have against free-to-play games, especially if you have paid for a copy of the game. Nobody gets all up in a dander when Nintendo has no subscription for a metroid game. There are a huge number of games that are F2P, and it is for a reason. It generates income and widens player base.

People have this bad taste from badly done F2P. That does not mean F2P is the plague. Look at GW2, LoL, practically every Facebook game ever, several steam games. As long as gameplay (the entire point of a game) is solid people will play. If you can do away with the archaic subscription system and attract more players then why not do so?

People seem worried about SE not being able to make enough money without subscriptions. That is a bit ridiculous. SE has such a powerhouse of an IP in FF that they would make a killing with vanity micro-transactions. The initial cost of the game is also huge. The development team can be cut in half with the half that doesn't stay with xiv going to work on some other SE project (which makes more money for SE).

The only situation in which subscriptions make sense, is if updates stream in on like a bi-weekly basis with bug fixes and balance patches AND all subsequent expansions are free AND you got all available character slots for the base sub price.

I have a decent job and i can easily afford my legacy sub, and if the game stays sub based i will continue to pay and play because i enjoy the game. But if the game went free to play you would see many more players that simply can't or won't pay subs. Those who have no problem paying for subs will also have no problem buying baby behemoths, and bomblets. Those who won't or can't pay subs will simply add to the player base and may be inclined to drop a one time fee of 5 bucks for a little bangaa statuette that they can place on their desk in their free company complex as a quaint reminder of another FF game without a sub that they played and enjoyed.

[Lady]

I read the first post and didn't bother reading the rest of the thread.

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Then its little wonder you would bring up points that have already been discussed.

[Wicka]

Then its little wonder you would bring up points that have already been discussed.

I'm a busy man. I really don't have the time to read an entire thread before I give my opinion on the subject matter. To those who had points and opinions similar to mine, my post is an agreement and fortification. To those whose opinions and points opposed my own, my post was an educated opinion to be ignored or refuted. My first sentence was an admission that my following opinion was based solely on the contents of the first post, the subject of this thread. While I think the stigma of F2P exists for a reason, I also think that it can be done incredibly effectively. And when effectively done, it is preferable to the alternative.

I'm not sure your condescension is deserved.

[Lady]

I'm a busy man. I really don't have the time to read an entire thread before I give my opinion on the subject matter. To those who had points and opinions similar to mine, my post is an agreement and fortification. To those whose opinions and points opposed my own, my post was an educated opinion to be ignored or refuted. My first sentence was an admission that my following opinion was based solely on the contents of the first post, the subject of this thread. While I think the stigma of F2P exists for a reason, I also think that it can be done incredibly effectively. And when effectively done, it is preferable to the alternative.

I'm not sure your condescension is deserved.

Find it ironic that a "busy man" has time to post anything on a forum in the first place.

[Pseudopsia]

Find it ironic that a "busy man" has time to post anything on a forum in the first place.

Anyone can express their opinion here, stop being a troll.

[Wicka]

Anyone can express their opinion here, stop being a troll.

I think you'll find that reading one or two posts and typing a reply takes much less time than reading all the posts and doing the same. I'm not as busy as Donald Trump, but I don't feel like wasting my time reading an entire thread when I merely want to communicate my opinion on the subject matter.

Edit - Sorry, I didn't mean to quote you. I meant to quote the other person. My apologies.

[Exn]

While I think the stigma of F2P exists for a reason, I also think that it can be done incredibly effectively. And when effectively done, it is preferable to the alternative.

I'd have to disagree with you. I personally haven't experieced a F2P MMORPG that was worth hanging around longer than a year. The stigma you speak of, is usually warranted. I was surprised you used GW2 as an example, because I could use that as a clear example of how F2P systems ruin gameplay. GW2 has RMT built directly into their system, actually ENCOURAGING something that most players recognize as a blatent violation in other games. All functioning F2P models try to supplement income by separating the playerbase into basically a class system of those who don't mind funneling $$$ into the game vs those actually attempting to play it for free. But the fact is with F2P, the more money you got to spend this month, the more likely you'll continue to find enjoyment in the game.

[Wicka]

The who consider it blatant violations only dk

[Laume]

I'd have to disagree with you. I personally haven't experieced a F2P MMORPG that was worth hanging around longer than a year. The stigma you speak of, is usually warranted.

I think what Wicka is saying is that the f2p model *can* be done right, not that it ever has. Kind of like how communism can be an good form of government, but it never has been. I guess it's the same in a lot of ways, if companies resist the temptation of making cheap, fast, pretty but shallow game, it can be done well. Just like no one that has formed a communist government has resisted the temptation to take advantage of the fact that there's a severe lack of checks in power in the system.

[Twiddle]

I read the first post and didn't bother reading the rest of the thread.

As far as i read... TERA is a typical Korean style of a MMO, It's made for a different culture, different audience, different player base. It was only imported to NA do to popular demand which died fast... TERA did do a few things well, but it did so many things so bad that it simply fell flat... If TERA is reworked in to a single player game, i would be first in line to get it, but as a mmo it's not a threat, people didn't quit TERA do to p2p, they quit because the game became stale.