dev1031 You are losing your main playerbase by making things too easy/fast/casual

[Visch]

Their priority is the casual player, make no mistake about that

Casuals = Shitload of money
Hardcore = Way less shitload of money & Bitching about every single little change

Um how does casual = money?

Who are they going to make any money off people who don't even play and are just going to leave in a few months?

Are you dense?

3 million players for 1 year < 500k players for 8 years.

No one bitched about ANYTHING in XI EXCEPT casuals.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

Um how does casual = money?

Who are they going to make any money off people who don't even play and are just going to leave in a few months?

Are you dense?

3 million players for 1 year < 500k players for 8 years.

No one bitched about ANYTHING in XI EXCEPT casuals.

you know that isn't true. Casuals do not game jump like your claiming. everyone does after some point. so let me ask you
are you dense?

or do you just like being a sh-- stirrer

ps everyone complained about ffxi not just the casuals.

[Zenaku]

you know that isn't true. Casuals do not game jump like your claiming. everyone does after some point. so let me ask you
are you dense?

or do you just like being a sh-- stirrer

ps everyone complained about ffxi not just the casuals.

Am sorry but you seem to be the most hard headed person on here your idea of casual are very wrong. You don't even play FFXI and on here for hours a day but then again call yourself casual? i'm sorry but you look noting far from casual player if you have time to be here for hours.

Why don't you just log in and play the game and see what the game have to give and get yourself 50 then wait like the rest of us?

Casual end up quiting game more then Hardcore players for a lot of big reason they jump around mmo a lot and then come back see the update play few months then quit again while hardcore players play for hours and even still pay the game without paying for it. there a lot of players on ffxiah talking about paying for ffxi without even playing it. i done that myself i pay for 5month and not even play 8hours a month. While casual would just cancel the game too they come back.

[Visch]

you know that isn't true. Casuals do not game jump like your claiming. everyone does after some point. so let me ask you
are you dense?

or do you just like being a sh-- stirrer

ps everyone complained about ffxi not just the casuals.

That is what defines a casual gamer. They're going to go do something else. If you're casual you're not going to be playing the game for 8 years.

Either way, I'm done with you. You shouldn't even be on these forums because you're nothing but a troll.

1) You don't even play this game. You can't have an opinion based off what other people say.
2) Your facts are constantly wrong and fabricated.
3) Your posts are full of errors and completely incoherent.

[Zenaku]

That is what defines a casual gamer. They're going to go do something else. If you're casual you're not going to be playing the game for 8 years.

Either way, I'm done with you. You shouldn't even be on these forums because you're nothing but a troll.

1) You don't even play this game. You can't have an opinion based off what other people say.
2) Your facts are constantly wrong and fabricated.
3) Your posts are full of errors and completely incoherent.



I can't even understand what you're trying to say.

Are you personally attacking me because I'm posting? This doesn't make sense. Here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNknL...el_video_title

I'm posting because if SE only hears from people who don't play the game or people who have to cry when they don't get something right away then they'll think every NA player is a cry baby.

huh i was not even talking to you

Sadly they should not make forums the main way to get views of players they should make a poll each months and see what the overall thinks. Hearing the same 10-20 players is not going to help us anyways.

[Visch]

huh i was not even talking to you

Sadly they should not make forums the main way to get views of players they should make a poll each months and see what the overall thinks. Hearing the same 10-20 players is not going to help us anyways.

Very sorry!!!

And yes I agree.

[Jinko]

huh i was not even talking to you

Sadly they should not make forums the main way to get views of players they should make a poll each months and see what the overall thinks. Hearing the same 10-20 players is not going to help us anyways.

They did those polls already and both times the casuals pretty much steam rolled the outcome.

Almost ever big named MMO has a forum these days and it would be archaic for FF14 not to have one, yes this forum is full of crappy posts but so are all the other MMO forums out there, you just gota learn to deal with it or ignore it.

[Visch]

They did those polls already and both times the casuals pretty much steam rolled the outcome.

Almost ever big named MMO has a forum these days and it would be archaic for FF14 not to have one, yes this forum is full of crappy posts but so are all the other MMO forums out there, you just gota learn to deal with it or ignore it.

There was no poll saying "Do you want everything to be easy? Yes or No."

Actually, it's not a matter of taste, is simply a matter of time. Same grinding, different lenght

Taste for being bad?

[solracht]

Um how does casual = money?

Who are they going to make any money off people who don't even play and are just going to leave in a few months?

Are you dense?

3 million players for 1 year < 500k players for 8 years.

No one bitched about ANYTHING in XI EXCEPT casuals.

You logic keeps on revolving around two extremes, which makes the entire thing fall apart. Here, let me help you:

-If the content is being made for casuals, at the right pace for them, they will not leave after 1 year, because they'll never be done with content. If content is being made for them, they'll have fun with it. One year later, they'll still have things to do. Hardcores will finish and leave in frustration as they're eating through that content really quickly, however. No arguing there.

-Keeping people around is the most important thing to do, but do you know what also helps these games quite a bit? Getting new people in past the initial release. If the game is user-friendly, new-player-friendly, and if people feel like they can catch up to the current players to do events with them, new people will keep on flowing into the game. FFXI did a horrible job at drawing new people in.

Having a stable and smaller playerbase is for sure better than having a huge playerbase that completely dissapears after a short time, but you seem to assume only the two extremes work.

Hopefully next time you throw numbers around, you'll keep these two things into consideration. I'm not expecting you to adjust your numbers to something that makes sense, but maybe they'll change just enough so you don't look like an idiot.

I mean, looking at your example (not that it's built on the right assumptions or anything): even keeping 150k players past that first year, with small player influxes whenever an expansion comes out (as it would not be catered to a minority) would give them more money.

[Visch]

You logic keeps on revolving around two extremes, which makes the entire thing fall apart.

And this game hasn't been an extreme change in comparison to FFXI? How is going from 1~3 hour lotto pops for a level 7 pair of boots to instant repop and people STILL COMPLAINING ABOUT IT IS TOO HARD FOR THEM not extreme?

If content is being made for them, they'll have fun with it. One year later, they'll still have things to do. Hardcores will finish and leave in frustration as they're eating through that content really quickly, however. No arguing there.

Then who is this content made for? Because most of these NMs are just up walking around a day after. It looks like everyone is hardcore then huh?

If the game is user-friendly, new-player-friendly, and if people feel like they can catch up to the current players to do events with them, new people will keep on flowing into the game. FFXI did a horrible job at drawing new people in.

Isn't it a problem already that it takes absolutely no effort or thinking or learning to get 50? The stuff you would learn just from partying in XI would make you a better player and prepare you somewhat for endgame events. Guildleves teach you to do nothing. You just act like a drone and kill 5 puks. And you want to make it even easier to get more people? Why even have a leveling system then?

Hopefully next time you throw numbers around, you'll keep these two things into consideration. I'm not expecting you to adjust your numbers to something that makes sense, but maybe they'll change just enough so you don't look like an idiot.

And you don't look like an idiot? Honestly. How are my numbers wrong in anyway? FFXI had about the same 500k subs for about that time. The other number is figurative. It is to prove a point of exactly what you just said.

I've said before probably 20 times in previous posts on every thread that there needs to be balance.