[Reminder] Are you ready to cry again? (2° Wave of Alpha invites tomorrow, 3 dec.)

[Firon]

You'd lose the bet, unless they invited *all* those that hold an active account. This has never been about just me, as much you and a few others try your hardest to shift the debate on a personal level.

I'm sure you'll be able to quote where I said they have the "obligation" to do anything. Please. Do try. Humor me. Add as many exclamation marks as you wish too, if you think it makes your point look more solid.

One thing is pointing out an obligation (which as far as I know no one here did) another is pointing out what would be the right and fair thing to do. No one here is holding SE at a gunpoint. Or saying "SE DO WHAT WE WANT OR ELSE!" We're offering criticism. Criticism doesn't involve necessarily involve obligations.



All customer relations are based on a compromise between what the company needs and what the customer needs. It's the very basic concept of commerce. But thanks for trying to warp my argument because you can't counter it in its original form.

You'r argument still holds no water cause anyone with a half a brain knows anything with a applications does not mean everyone gets in.

[Abriael]

You'r argument still holds no water cause anyone with a half a brain knows anything with a applications does not mean everyone gets in.

Regardless of the very limited readability of the above, if I interpreted it correctly, you're making just another false assumption. An application doesn't necessarily involve a selection. Filling the application in itself can easily be *the* method of selection, and it's a method used rather often in this industry and others.

So yeah, there are plenty cases in which everyone that applies gets accepted, especially if that application is open only to a limited audience in itself. Maybe "everyone with half a brain" should look around a bit more.

[Firon]

Regardless of the very limited readability of the above, if I interpreted it correctly, you're making just another false assumption. An application doesn't necessarily involve a selection. Filling the application in itself can easily be *the* method of selection, and it's a method used rather often in this industry and others.

So yeah, there are plenty cases in which everyone that applies gets accepted, especially if that application is open only to a limited audience in itself.

OK bro you win. /thumbsup I'm tired of going back and forth I mean Ray Charles could not even be this blind.

[SkyeWindbinder]

You'r argument still holds no water cause anyone with a half a brain knows anything with a applications does not mean everyone gets in.

Well, that's assuming Abriael has at least half a brain. lol

But really though, it's gotten quite sad. Abriael is determined to convince the world that SE does not treat their loyal fanbase fairly because not everyone in their fanbase got to experience alpha, despite the clear evidence that makes his argument a steaming fly-covered pile of BS. And what's worse is that there are other people encouraging his rants and temper tantrums. (Likely most of them are more people who also didn't get to experience alpha) Abriael is of the mind that if he and other faboy loyalists of FF14 didn't get into the alpha phase, the game will somehow fail or alpha will not have been done correctly or... you know, the skewed logic of the extremely self-entitled and narcassistic. You know what? I kind of hope he gets invited to beta. Because if he doesn't... Oh god. If you think he's whining now... lol

[Abriael]

Well, that's assuming Abriael has at least half a brain. lol

But really though, it's gotten quite sad. Abriael is determined to convince the world that SE does not treat their loyal fanbase fairly because not everyone in their fanbase got to experience alpha, despite the clear evidence that makes his argument a steaming fly-covered pile of BS. And what's worse is that there are other people encouraging his rants and temper tantrums. (Likely most of them are more people who also didn't get to experience alpha) Abriael is of the mind that if he and other faboy loyalists of FF14 didn't get into the alpha phase, the game will somehow fail or alpha will not have been done correctly or... you know, the skewed logic of the extremely self-entitled and narcassistic. You know what? I kind of hope he gets invited to beta. Because if he doesn't... Oh god. If you think he's whining now... lol

Nice chain of personal attacks. I see you don't lose that habit. By the way, I believe I already told you that "loyalist" doesn't mean what you think it means. This isn't a civil war, as much some overly aggressive people seem to think of it like one and miss no chance to attack their counterpart on a personal level. The word you're looking for is "loyal". It's not the same thing. You're welcome. No charge.

But hey, since you have "clear evidence", let's see it. Because you never once brought anything that could even remotely be defined "evidence" (which is why you continuously resort to personal attacks. If your argument was anywhere solid, you wouldn't need to).

Also, again, please do quote where I said that if I or others don't get in the alpha the "game will somehow fail". Do humor me.

You can't? Oh... too bad.

[SkyeWindbinder]

Nice chain of personal attacks. I see you don't lose that habit. By the way, I believe I already told you that "loyalist" doesn't mean what you think it means. This isn't a civil war, as much some overly aggressive people seem to think of it like one and miss no chance to attack their counterpart on a personal level. The word you're looking for is "loyal". It's not the same thing. You're welcome. No charge.

But hey, since you have "clear evidence", let's see it. Because you never once brought anything that could even remotely be defined "evidence" (which is why you continuously resort to personal attacks. If your argument was anywhere solid, you wouldn't need to).

Also, again, please do quote where I said that if I or others don't get in the alpha the "game will somehow fail". Do humor me.

You can't? Oh... too bad.

Blah blah blah blah... lol Still the same old song and dance. "Loyalist" is the word I choose to use to describe those who stick wit SE throughout their career of making games. It's called an "exaggeration". What's sad is, you're the only person I actually had to explain that to. It just goes way over your head, doesn't it Abby? (shaking my head in pity) I was actually just kidding about the "half of a brain" thing, but now I wonder...

Your words, your attitude, your butthurt mile-long speeches declaring SE is "doing it wrong" by not letting you and every other loyalist (yep, I said it again) in to test alpha is all the evidennce needed to reveal you as just some guy who's typing long paragraphs and volunteering the "proper definition of words" (thank you, Mr. Dictionary, lol) to make it seem like your argument is more than what it is; Just a chain of rants, accusations, and really really pathetic long bouts of crying over an over ad over and over... You're really not fooling anyone, Abby. Here, I found this on another thread. I think it might help you if you pay attention to it's message...

[Abriael]

More personal attacks

The funny thing is that if this really was a civil war, I wouldn't be a "loyalist" (you would be), but I digress. But hey, if you decide to select random words and use them for something that is not included in their meaning, more power to you. It doesn't help mutual understanding, but oh well.

What you bring isn't "evidence", it's your (misguided) opinion, that doesn't have any value of evidence anywhere.

Also, your constant use of exaggeration is nothing else than a misrepresentation of my position because you can't counter its original form. I suggest trying to counter my position, not your warped and imaginary version of it, because arguing against something no one argued is rather futile during a discussion.

[SkyeWindbinder]

The funny thing is that if this really was a civil war, I wouldn't be a "loyalist" (you would be), but I digress. But hey, if you decide to select random words and use them for something that is not included in their meaning, more power to you. It doesn't help mutual understanding, but oh well.

What you bring isn't "evidence", it's your (misguided) opinion, that doesn't have any value of evidence anywhere.

Also, your constant use of exaggeration is nothing else than a misrepresentation of my position because you can't counter its original form. I suggest trying to counter my position, not your warped and imaginary version of it, because arguing against something no one argued is rather futile during a discussion.

Thank you again, Mr. Dictionary. lol Once again, exaggeration. Live it, learn it, love it. Also, seeing as how you compared yourself not getting into alpha to the sinking of the titanic, I really don't think you're in any position to preach about "meaning" and "comparison of words". You definately have a problem with perspective.

Yes, your past rants and your whining attitude are indeed evidence of your butthurt. Them cheeks are just stinging because you didn't get into alpha, lol. Like a little kid who got spanked. So, you're going to continue to cry about it and try to pass your QQing off as some sort of valid argument, when everyone with two eyes, a brain, and the ability to use all three can see what you're all about. Well, you go ahead. Cry till your heart's content. But guess what? It won't change the fact that you didn't get an alpha invite. It won't give you a bigger chance of gettng into beta. And it wn't add anysort of weight or logic to your "argument", such as it is. It will only make people roll their eyes in disdain at your constant riverflow of tears, or just do what I do and point and laugh at you for it.

You think your colleagues at work are laughing? That's nothing. You should have seen how much we laughed at you in chat last night. Our sides were aching! The funniest (or perhaps, saddest) thing about it is, you have no idea how ridiculously pathetic you're making yourself look. I tried to help you Abby, but you have to be willing to help yourself. Or you can continue to be the butt of everyone's jokes, either way works out for me.

[Abriael]

Thank you again, Mr. Dictionary. lol Once again, exaggeration. Live it, learn it, love it.

I know exaggeration very well, as much as I know that it determines the fact that your arguments are just strawman arguments and as such, completely void. Again, when you'll be able to counter my points, and not your imaginary version of them, do come back.

Also, seeing as how you compared yourself not getting into alpha to the sinking of the titanic

Oh really? where did I? DO quote me, please. Wait. I didn't.

Are you getting so desperate that you're moving from exaggeration and strawman arguments to plain falsehood and lies?

The rest is just another chain of petty personal attacks. So I'll refrain commenting on it. Unfortunately for you, you can't talk for everyone (as much as you'd like to). Let me quote:

That is because he's one of the very few (in fact, I can't think of anyone else right now) who are both willing and capable of presenting a well-founded argument, even with the knowledge that there are people like you who continually try to shut them up with a combination of bashing, silly images, straw man arguments, general nonsense, and more.

I for one did take part in such discussions once upon a time just like Abriael does now, but I grew tired of it. I'm happy he is involved with these forums. His name alone stands for high-quality posts, and I would skip reading entire threads if it wasn't for him.

It's quite obvious that there are people that appreciate my posts, and that alone makes the insults of a few misguided individuals that can't express a concept without personal attacks absolutely void of any value in comparison.

To put it down simply, all the virtual ink you waste to insult me is just that, a waste, and it makes you look none the better.

Man, people STILL attacking this guy? It's like they just want to for the sake of doing it. We get it, you don't agree with him. Yet you still attack him, try to say his opinion, a well thought out one I might add, is "wrong". When you debate opinion vs opinion, you don't start flinging mud in an attempt to scare away or change the opinion of your opposition, it just makes you look childish.

Why, thank you.

[Recycler]

clear evidence that makes his argument a steaming fly-covered pile of BS. And what's worse is that there are other people encouraging his rants and temper tantrums. (Likely most of them are more people who also didn't get to experience alpha)

I did get into alpha and still "encourage his rants". Can you imagine that?