[Reminder] Are you ready to cry again? (2° Wave of Alpha invites tomorrow, 3 dec.)

[Warlock]

This is how most international games (games with home developers in a different nation but support numerous) work actually..so that actually isn't anything weird to have happen.

Besides, if there were no value to the 1.0 players they wouldn't have introduced the legacy membership. So once again it's less about entitlement and more about the skewed process that seemed to have occurred since getting inactive people and basically using it as an advertisement tool during closed alpha isn't exactly wise, which is why outside of the people excited to see it different from 1.0, a lot of other people see it as SE's desperate attempt to make it like an MMO from 2004-2007 era so having them for a very limited alpha does nothing when their feedback consists mainly of "lack of content" xD.

You are such a failure at trashtalking ...been a legacy member entitles you to pay only 9.99$ ,a unique chocobo mount design,your name in the credits,a mark to show you survived the war. But not alpha access...
and if there is a lack of content why is SE having such a hard time making space for new people to join the alpha? and most testers are applauding the team claiming the Alpha build has the quality of Beta.
I seriously don't know whats your problem with what SE is doing but you are just making yourself look like a fool

[Abriael]

a big misguided wall of multi quotes, misrepresentation, strawman arguments, hyperbole and personal attacks

1: No matter how much you enjoy repeating the words "you" and "yours" and bolding them (like it gave any solid ground to your arguments. Hint: it doesn't). The fact that perks and discounts and the ability to directly influence the direction and development of a game are two entirely different values is indeed a fact. You (see, i can do it too) may think them equivalent, but they are factually different. Quite obviously others don't consider them equivalent and don't consider one a valid replacement for the other. So they won't be satisfied by the perks and discounts if what they want is the chance to influence the game. It's that simple.

The fact that you're satisfied with saving some money and getting some virtual items doesn't mean everyone else should be.

2: yes. We don't know if the current alpha testers are doing a good or a bad job with feedback. That's exactly the problem. You may be used to function on blind faith. Others do not. Again, it's that simple.

3: No matter if getting into the beta may or may not allow to provide feedback in time for it to be considered. The later you get into the testing of a game, the less you'll have a chance to influence its development and direction. Again. This is a steel-clad rule. So it's obvious that people that want to give that feedback are not happy about being deprieved of that chance while seeing it given to people that did nothing to deserve it and already proved to care less about the game.

4: I'm sure you'll be able to quote where I said that the game "is going to collapse" if I'm not there. Or better. No, you won't, because I didn't say it or anything even remotely comparable. Misrepresenting someone's argument because you can't counter it in its original form is called a "strawman argument". Needless to say, it makes your point void of any validity.

Do come back when you're able to express a concept without hyperbole.

5: you continue to try and steer the discourse towards the "you" (how much you love your personal attacks... but we already noticed that), but it's not about me. It's about a very sizable amount of people that supported the game for two years, and still their feedback is being considered and facilitated less than the feedback of those that ragequit after a month. Which is, in my opinion and in that of many others, not kosher. Again, it's really that simple.

6: If I have the right to criticize, why again are you here to antagonize me? because your continuous personal attacks say the contrary. Please do not contradict yourself.

7: The joke about the gobbue's big ass was indeed a joke. You need a sense of humor. And yes, second guessing your counterpart's motives in order to misrepresent their position like you continuously do is a personal attack. But you've been doing it since the start of the alpha, in between calling people "butthurt" and "crybabies", so I'm not all that surprised.

[Elexia]

You are such a failure at trashtalkingl

No one is trashtalking kiddo. If you kept up with interviews you'd know that SE (Yoshi) started the Legacy program as a thank you, meaning they value the people who stuck around.

Whatever else the fuck you were going on about but I think you're the one that's just trying to stir something lol.

and if there is a lack of content why is SE having such a hard tim

They're not, hence why they even are inviting people or again do you just fail to read what the developers state? "We'll send invites if there's a drop off in login rates."

Login rates drops because of people who join alpha with the premise of playing and go through the limited content and no longer log in,

Yoshi said this himself, because it's quite common.

applauding the team claiming the Alpha build has the quality of Beta.

Therein lies the problem.

[SkyeWindbinder]

More self-entitled BS, as usual

Oh god, Abriael. You know, I actually do feel sorry for you. You are so intent on being "right" that you just can't see the forest for the trees. In a sad way, you really don't see how entitled and self absorbed you are really being. No, these are not personal attacks. There are criticisms. And quite founded ones, I might add. I really didn't even bother to read all your former post, because I'm willing to bet it's more of the same:

A. SE does not treat it's fanbase (i.e.: you) right because they (i.e.: you) didn't get into alpha as they (i,e,: you) wanted
B. Anyone who calls you out for being selt-absorbed and self-entitled is "attacking you"
C. Alpha absolutely cannot be effective unless all of FF14's fanbase (i.e.: you) are participating.

Please, stop. Just... stop. It's sad, and you're only making a mockery of yourself. I actually feel embarrassed for you. Look, despite your energetic claims otherwise, alpha can and will function without you. SE has people covering that. Your only gripe is that you're not one of those people. If you were, you'd have absolutely no problem with how SE deals with it's fanbase, despite the fact that other loyalists didn't get in. And you know it to be true, lol. Your posts are merely you ranting because you're frustrated. You really wanted to get into alpha. And I can respect that. I wanted to get in too. But throwing a hissy fit and saying SE is mistreating their fanbase (i.e.: you) because you didn't get in, I can't give even an ounce of respect to that.

Guess what? THIS IS NOT ABRIAEL'S WORLD. THIS IS EARTH. And on earth, things don't always go Abriael's way. You are no different from all the other people who didn't get into alpha, except for the fact that you whine about it more than anyone else. It's not necessary. You are not a vital part of testing the game. Yes, people in general are needed to test the game. But they have people there. Testing the game. And whether you think they deserve to or not, they're there because SE wants them, and not YOU, there. I know, it's a bitter pill to swallow. But buck up. Soon you'll get to play the full, entire version of the game. And besides, a little disappointment is actually good for you every now and again. Builds character.

Really, you need to relax. You are going to be okay. The game is not going anywhere. And there's always beta to look forward to. Just breathe in, breathe out. Breathe in, breathe out. It's alright, Abriael. The testing will go fine without your omniscient, omnipresent gaze looking at it through your computer screen. I know, such a thought is ludicrous to you, that you are not the most important person in the alpha process. But... yeah. Just. Relax.

[Warlock]

No one is trashtalking kiddo. If you kept up with interviews you'd know that SE (Yoshi) started the Legacy program as a thank you, meaning they value the people who stuck around.

Whatever else the fuck you were going on about but I think you're the one that's just trying to stir something lol.



They're not, hence why they even are inviting people or again do you just fail to read what the developers state? "We'll send invites if there's a drop off in login rates."

Login rates drops because of people who join alpha with the premise of playing and go through the limited content and no longer log in,

Yoshi said this himself, because it's quite common.



Therein lies the problem.

You failed to read carefully what i typed too.. i listed all the "thank yous" as a reply to you claiming been legacy member entitled alpha access which is wrong..
And you said it yourself invites going out as log in rate drops but the log in rate didn't drop even half of what they estimated ..meaning a lot of people don't want to stop playing alpha meaning there is no lack of content or quality despite it been just a mere Alpha build...try harder next time

[DarkkenMoneybags]

As we continue to beat this dead reindeer, the angry elf returns to give words and issues with layout discussion.

First off, Those of us who are still waiting on getting an alpha invite on Monday the last wave to go out & still are questioning the fact why we haven't received an invite yet. Its very disappointing & frustrating the process SE has chosen to deliver the invites. Come Monday with those of us who still didn't make it to Alpha, trust me those loyal/legacy players are going to be upset with SE, As I am right now with them. It just takes on the question "Will beta be delivered in the same way Alpha was delivered?"

Secondly, it really sucks having your girlfriend, friends, whole linkshell, dog, & cat , even Santa just slapping ARR: alpha right into your face every single day with things like, " You need play alpha its so awesome & lag less," " OMG, they have so much to do even with the 1-20 lvl cap," " I lot more mobs too." On top of that e-mail you screenshots, or a made video (which is breaking NDA rules). Just sucks because you know you want to be there exploring, testing, giving feedback & getting a feel of this new revamped game. Now on to issues:

Select Process: Alpha We know for a fact the selection was done in an unfair process which includes:
Inactive Final Fantasy XIV accounts: getting in and testing when the requirements clearly states CURRENTLY ACTIVE FINAL FANTASY XIV ACCOUNTS can apply, other players have tested this theory & some have came upfront about others getting in with an inactive FFXIV acct.
Players getting multiple invites for other accounts they own: in which keeps other players from getting an invite to play & test alpha.

SE could've opened extra servers so everyone who applied had a chance to see this new revamped game in alpha. As Yoshi stated "He wanted every one of his current players to experience." Just by refusing to open more than 3 servers & valuing those players who have stuck it through the rebuilding phase 1.0 to its ending destruction for transition & paid for game where we even felt we shouldn't be paying for this game at the time pay started but we did because we wanted to see ARR became reality.

SE needs to see they made flawed discussions in the selection process but they continue refuse to communicate with it players, instead, they continue to only give feedback to those on the Alpha forums over the regular forums. both forums should be treated equally not excluded from the other. Yoshi has made poor discussion & considerations to his players.

Beta: SE shouldn't be inviting Alpha players already to beta without closing Alpha servers first. Alpha testers shouldn't be grandfathered into beta because it will be unfair to players who didn't make Alpha where they have to reapply as the alpha players shouldn't when some of us think it'll be fair for those in alpha should also reapply. Upon that make it a percentage harder for Alpha players getting into beta. As players are being invited to beta already, seems we are having another problem brewing of unfair selection.

Legacy: Yes, we are getting a lower paying price than newcomers & a chocobo at the start of the game. SE needs to start communicating to those of us who are valued as loyal long-term players from day 1 to the end of playing 1.0. Begin to send invites to those of us that are legacy, along with those who never got legacy but they get to be in early Beta phases as well.

SE needs to value its current long-term players before getting inactive players involved as well as those who broke the NDA agreements. The only game I have noticed that does still value its players and is still the #1 MMO is WoW. So SE should think about its current players before Beta starts this time around.

[Abriael]

More personal attacks, because when you can't counter someone's points, all that's left is to attack him on a personal level

A: You continue to try to steer the direction of the discussion towards me. Too bad it isn't about just me. But do keep on with the personal attacks.
B: If you can't debate on the arguments, but you have to shift the discourse on the person (calling him with negative adjectives like self-absorbed, self-entitled, crybaby, butthurt and so forth, as you have been doing with me and others since the beginning of the alpha) yes, you're attacking on a personal level. That's the very definition of it, and it's normally frowned upon.

C:

Alpha absolutely cannot be effective unless all of FF14's fanbase (i.e.: you) are participating.

Another strawman argument. I never said that "alpha absolutely cannot be effective", or anything even remotely similar. Really can't counter my points in their original form, mh?

The rest of your post is basically:

YOU YOU YOU YOU YOU YOU YOU YOU YOU

Only, It's not about me. The funniest part is that I'm not even fully part of the group I'm describing, since differently from others I did quit the game for a rather long period (and therefore I deserve to be in the alpha quite a lot less than a lot of others that are here and never quit the game from launch to today). If SE let into the alpha every single one between those than never quit the game and excluded everyone else (me included) I'd be perfectly ok with it.

In that case their priorities would still be set right, as the correct order of inviting should be: Those that stuck with the game from start to end -> Those that stuck with the game for a long time even though they left for a period -> Everyone else.

I'm perfectly relaxed. So relaxed that I don't even feel the need to attack you or anyone else here on a personal level, and continue to bring my arguments in a balanced and reasoned way.

On the other hand, it seems that the fact that someone dares to criticize SE's ways of selecting the testers makes you rage so much that you need to point your little finger at them and try your hardest to attack their person instead of attacking their position.

Well, sorry to burst a big bubble, but discussion doesn't work that way. You demonstrated over and over again that you have absolutely no way to counter my arguments, and need to shift the discussion against my person to try and hide that fact. The funny part is that you aren't even managing to irritate me, as I find your continuous finger pointing, aggression and strawman throwing amusing.

Of course this is not Abriael's world. Things don't always go Abriael's way, but being someone with a brain of his own, Abriael will express his opinion whether you like it or not. It's really that simple, and it's exactly what this forum is for.

That opinion is that Square Enix should have shown more consideration for their loyal fanbase (incidentally: "loyal" and "Loyalist" are two very different concepts. this isn't a civil war despite the fact that you seem to be very intent in turning it into one) providing them with a way to give direct feedback on the alpha before looking to bring in people that have not shown the same the degree of loyalty.

That opinion will not change, and I will continue to express it, no matter how much you attack my person because you can't attack the opinion itself.

I'll be looking forward to another reply of yours full of "you this" and "you that"

[Velhart]

SE needs to value its current long-term players before getting inactive players involved as well as those who broke the NDA agreements. The only game I have noticed that does still value its players and is still the #1 MMO is WoW. So SE should think about its current players before Beta starts this time around.

This is a gigantic flaw with SE not only in FFXIV, but their state of thinking in general. Alienating their current fan base to please a new crowd has almost never worked in their favor.

[Abriael]

This is a gigantic flaw with SE not only in FFXIV, but their state of thinking in general. Alienating their current fan base to please a new crowd has almost never worked in their favor.

To be fair SE isn't the only one guilty of that lately, not even nearly. They're just those for which it worked the worst.

[Thebard]

Why is this thread still open?
All I see are a handful of angry people who refuse to understand what the alpha test was for and lots of frustrated people trying to explain simple facts to them over and over and over.