[Reminder] Are you ready to cry again? (2° Wave of Alpha invites tomorrow, 3 dec.)

[Abriael]

Again, this is what you think about yourself. Yes, i find inadequate your criticism, at this time. You said your point of view many times at day, for a month. We understood. They readed, and maybe understood. Why keep insisting ? They'll not respond to that in every case. You're just looking like a crybaby after all this time you didn't get your invite, and that isn't a feedback at all.

Again, Inadequate doesn't mean what you think it means. The word you're looking for is "inappropriate":

Why keep insisting? Simply because my concerns haven't been in any way addressed. Other people keep saying that SE can do no wrong and have been saying that for just as long. You seem to think they're entitled to continue doing so. So why exactly am I not?

They didnt invite you, this doesn't mean they didn't invite alot other long time players or did you ask every single player?

As this thread and many other demonstrates (alongside with all the people I know), they didn't invite a whole lot of long time players.

Of course I can't make up statistics (nor you can), but the fact that a whole lot of long time players that supported this game through thick and thin haven't been given a chance to provide feedback on the alpha is, indeed, an undeniable fact.

And I find it inappropriate.

[yukikaze_yanagi]

Again, Inadequate doesn't mean what you think it means. The word you're looking for is "inappropriate":

Why keep insisting? Simply because my concerns haven't been in any way addressed. Other people keep saying that SE can do no wrong and have been saying that for just as long. You seem to think they're entitled to continue doing so. So why exactly am I not?

first, what other people think it's not my concerne. The bad news abrael, they CAN continue doing like this, fair or unfair, and with all the anger we could get together for not having an invite.
It's not fair, but it's their right. Their game, their rules.

Feedback != we rule your choice

[Abriael]

first, what other people think it's not my concerne. The bad news abrael, they CAN continue doing like this, fair or unfair, and with all the anger we could get together for not having an invite.
It's not fair, but it's their right. Their game, their rules.

Absolutely. Just as much it's our right, as paying customers, to provide feedback and criticism about it, and to draw our conclusions on how much they care about the feedback of their most loyal customers.

"Action <-> Reaction" is a very solid rule in commerce.

Anyway for the love of God just:

(insert useless and space-consuming motivated picture here)

You are aware of the fact that no one holds you at gunpoint to read what we write?

[Elexia]

It's not fair, but it's their right. Their game, their rules.

Yes, but there's also a concept called bait & switch and bad business practices which if it continues into beta, there's a good chance it will shine an even more negative light onto SE because they're already in a bad spotlight, especially when it comes to XIV.

While B&S is usually in terms of pricing, basically trying to keep people around with the lure they'll be able to participate in it and the exact opposite happens is essentially the same thing. You need an active account to apply, that clearly isn't the case when you do simple searches you can see just as many screenshots of alpha and the forums as well people who admittedly were inactive and got in.

And your the one that won't stop repeating yourself. Consideration is a wonderful word -.-. It's not like your saying it for the first- 10th time this is like 100 times now. Your right I should stop.. but are you giving me a reason to?

Starlord, you do the same god damn thing you're accusing him of. Whether it's to defend SE, apologize for them or to antagonize others, you do the same thing, so it's best to just drop it until you realize you do it yourself because hell, when someone "whines or complains" you're the first person there to call them a crybaby. Yes, Starlord, Criticism is real and it's allowed and yes it comes in the form of repetition because that's how you get concerns heard.

You don't hear about things changing because 1 person says it once and that's it, now do you?

[moriandrio]

So all the loyalists that didnt get into alpha and you know is a bunch of ppl that are active in this forum, thats maybe 1% of the active long time player prolly less. You don't even know about all ppl in this thread if they are in or not cause they not allowed to say it without beaking the NDA...

The possibility that there alot loyalists in the alpha is very high, and at the end this is all about that you didnt get in and not all these other ppl. Thats something you point out quite often cause you got invited for all these other games so these Publisher are smart and here you did not get an invitation so SE is dumb....

[Abriael]

So all the loyalists that didnt get into alpha and you know is a bunch of ppl that are active in this forum, thats maybe 1% of the active long time player prolly less. You don't even know about all ppl in this thread if they are in or not cause they not allowed to say it without beaking the NDA...

The possibility that there alot loyalists in the alpha is very high, and at the end this is all about that you didnt get in and not all these other ppl.

The difference between me and you is that I don't make up statistics and percentages without data.

We know there are a lot of paying customers that did not get into the alpha. And that's *all* we know. They may be the 1%, the 10%, the 50%... It doesn't really matter.

It's a sizable number, and as such it's relevant.

Thats something you point out quite often cause you got invited for all these other games so these Publisher are smart and here you did not get an invitation so SE is dumb....

Nope. Those companies invited and invite *all* their paying supporters to their tests, therefore IMHO they demonstrate that they value the feedback of their loyal customerbase enough. SE didn't, therefore their consideration of the feedback of their loyal customerbase isn't as high.

I never talked about me, nor i ever talked about "smart" or "dumb".

Misprepresenting someone's argument because you can't counter it in its original form is called a "strawman argument", needless to say, it makes your point void.

I only see you complaining about it

Again, you need thick glasses, and my posts always have multiple likes, automatically proving you wrong.

When were in beta you still going to be at this.. because at least everyone " who is on your side" has stop yapping on about it. You "say" your not butthurt.. but I think that's more of "denial". They didn't respond to your yapping 2-3 weeks ago, what makes you think your going to get a response now? Your waisting your time.

My time is mine alone. Why would you be worried about it?

The fact that they aren't responding to my criticism isn't a reason to stop expressing it (despite the fact that you really really want me to).