[Reminder] Are you ready to cry again? (2° Wave of Alpha invites tomorrow, 3 dec.)

[SkyeWindbinder]

Yes. It's not the end of the world. That's why I'm not "angry", "crying" or "butthurt", but I'm instead providing criticism in a balanced and rational way in the midst of a lot of people throwing insults and trying their hardest to antagonize those that dare to be disappointed with the situation.

Very few things are the end of the world. Even ARR launching and after that crashing and burning wouldn't be the end of the world. There are plenty of games to play in the market. This doesn't mean we should provide criticism only on what would be the end of the world.

I'm sure SE doesn't agree with the fact that longtime subscribers should get priority to testing, and that's exactly why I provide my criticism. If they agreed, I and others wouldn't need to criticize at all.

In the same situation other developers simply considered and consider the feedback of their supporters better than SE did (and we're talking about developers that have but a fraction of the resources and budgets SE has). I think bringing it to their attention has value, and that's why I do it.

As for the beta being around the corner, that's great (providing that it's true, as we really don't know and won't until they release the updated roadmap), but it's simply besides the point. As a matter of fact, criticism is important to let SE know that maybe there are better ways to consider the feedback of their long time supporters than they did with the alpha.

Criticism is fine, but remember, you are only criticising as far as your opinion of how things should be. SE, I'm sure, has their reasons for how they handled alpha. I, too, am disappointed for not getting into alpha. But to tell you the truth, whether or not they allow a few loyalists in to test a game's alpha mode doesn't really say that SE doesn't value the opinions of their customers. Some loyalists did get in. Also, some people who haven't been there as long as us got in. We simply weren't amongst the chosen few. It can be a bitter pill to take, but like I said before, I'm sure SE has their reasons. This isn't their first ball game, after all. Anyway, I'm sure those who got in are providing some good feedback (some of them, at least). And our feedback can come later.

[moriandrio]

So telling him to stop whining after a month of complaining about not getting an invite ist instantly....

It gonna be funny to read his post if they don't let him in beta neither ^^

[yukikaze_yanagi]

Yes, instantly. As in their first response to it is "Waahh, stop crying" and the like.

that' s a problem of someone else. But in this istant, enough is enough

[ispano]

So telling him to stop whining after a month of complaining about not getting an invite ist instantly....

Considering what he's doing and how he's doing it is far from whining? Also considering your first post in response to him is to instantly call him a whiner.

[ispano]

that' s a problem of someone else. But in this istant, enough is enough

Your first response to him in this thread was also to call him a whiner. So for someone else? No.

[Abriael]

You been saying the same thing " Oh, Non-actives are getting in!" Just in a more longwided post ever since Alpha started here in NA. I'm sorry but you are spamming.

Looking inwardly would do you good, considering that you've been saying the same things over and over since the alpha started as well, and actually with an higher frequency than I do.

This, of course, without mentioning all those that do nothing else than posting motivated pictures with just another variation of "u mad!" because they have really nothing to contribute to the debate.

If anything what SE has been doing is smart they have sent Alpha invites to a lot of popular mmo players on twitch t.v who gets like 5-20k views per day and those guys have been talking fondly of the game.

Too bad that inviting those few people (the input of which is very debatable this early, as it'll be well forgotten by when it's time to buy the game, in addition to being an open invitation to break the NDA) doesn't conflict in any way with inviting those that actually support the game.

Criticism is fine, but remember, you are only criticising as far as your opinion of how things should be. SE, I'm sure, has their reasons for how they handled alpha. I, too, am disappointed for not getting into alpha. But to tell you the truth, whether or not they allow a few loyalists in to test a game's alpha mode doesn't really say that SE doesn't value the opinions of their customers. Some loyalists did get in. Also, some people who haven't been there as long as us got in. We simply weren't amongst the chosen few. It can be a bitter pill to take, but like I said before, I'm sure SE has their reasons. This isn't their first ball game, after all. Anyway, I'm sure those who got in are providing some good feedback (some of them, at least). And our feedback can come later.

I'm sure they have their reason. Just as much as they had their reasons to release FFXIV the way they did. This doesn't and shouldn't prevent me or anyone else from telling them "hey, SE, your reasons and priorities are all over the place".

The fact that they didn't invite all their most loyal supporter, does, in my opinion, show that they don't value their feedback enough. Other companies manage to do so, so it's possible. They just chose not to, and that's the problem.

[moriandrio]

They didnt invite you, this doesn't mean they didn't invite alot other long time players or did you ask every single player?

[Abriael]

Again, this is what you think about yourself. Yes, i find inadequate your criticism, at this time. You said your point of view many times at day, for a month. We understood. They readed, and maybe understood. Why keep insisting ? They'll not respond to that in every case. You're just looking like a crybaby after all this time you didn't get your invite, and that isn't a feedback at all.

Again, Inadequate doesn't mean what you think it means. The word you're looking for is "inappropriate":

Why keep insisting? Simply because my concerns haven't been in any way addressed. Other people keep saying that SE can do no wrong and have been saying that for just as long. You seem to think they're entitled to continue doing so. So why exactly am I not?

They didnt invite you, this doesn't mean they didn't invite alot other long time players or did you ask every single player?

As this thread and many other demonstrates (alongside with all the people I know), they didn't invite a whole lot of long time players.

Of course I can't make up statistics (nor you can), but the fact that a whole lot of long time players that supported this game through thick and thin haven't been given a chance to provide feedback on the alpha is, indeed, an undeniable fact.

And I find it inappropriate.

[Firon]

This, of course, without mentioning all those that do nothing else than posting motivated pictures with just another variation of "u mad!" because they have really nothing to contribute to the debate.



Too bad that inviting those few people (the input of which is very debatable this early, as it'll be well forgotten by when it's time to buy the game, in addition to being an open invitation to break the NDA) doesn't conflict in any way with inviting those that actually support the game.

Except that those people viewing will play anything they play so its good free marketing for the game and a lot more people wanna try the game out now. I'll say it one more time you only needed an active account to apply and SE is allowed to invite anyone they want. Also for the 4th or 5th time Yoshi stated a long time ago he wanted to target inactive players for the alpha/beta.

[Starlord]

Looking inwardly would do you good, considering that you've been saying the same things over and over since the alpha started as well, and actually with an higher frequency than I do.

This, of course, without mentioning all those that do nothing else than posting motivated pictures with just another variation of "u mad!" because they have really nothing to contribute to the debate.

And you repeating yourself like a parrot isn't Contributing either, it's "Spamming". We got your point, we understand your point, Just some of us don't "agree" with your point of view. Which is fine. I was debating with you when Alpha started and you started complaining, that was fine, but now 2-3 weeks later, your still going on about the "same" things over and over

and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. -.-