dev1031 You are losing your main playerbase by making things too easy/fast/casual

[Ostia]

I don't think that will be an issue SE knows how to make thing challenging... Just as long as this nice challenging content is open for everyone. We shouldn't have any issues bringing in players.

i agree with you except on one thing, SE does goes overboard in making some content impossible hard, just for it being impossible hard, if they can keep from repeating that, its all good

[Mug]

I don't think that will be an issue SE knows how to make thing challenging... Just as long as this nice challenging content os open for everyone. We should have any issues bringing in players.

It all comes down to how people define the word "challenge". For some people it means adding things like NM's with long repop times and low droprates. For others (most people I assume) it means giving them content that relies on actual skill and strategy than how much time they have available. The latter can cater to both casual and hardcore gamers, depending on how easy it is to access.

[Shelia]

No thanks.

I'm done with my absolute virtue days and camping NMs for several hours. Don't need that crap anymore.

I think your opinion is all in your head, OP. SE isn't losing players. If anything, they'll gain more players. Not everybody has time to dedicate to an MMO anymore, especially since FFXI veterans that play this game are within the 20-30 age range. People have jobs and other things to attend to. Creating a game that is just as hard and time consuming as it's predecessor is a bad move, and also blocks out a lot of people from playing due to important events in real life.

[Chezen]

Base on how every single expansion they increase their playerbase by a few millions, thats MILLIONS! And we can all agree that in World of Warcraft the hardcore crowd it's a very very small minority, if tomorrow blizzard woke up, and only had their hardcore crowd as it's only subscription income, they would close doors

Not that this discussion belongs here, but WoW lost players with Cata. Not enough to shut them down. It would take the Titanic to do that.

Ironically, they lost those players partially by "catering to the minority of hardcores", according to many of the quitting posts. Then when they started nerfing, people quit because they were "catering to the casuals". The rest were "bored with the game", due to lack of new content.

Bottom line is, I'm tired of hearing the casual vs.hardcore argument. I move to a new game, and they follow me.

I just want the game to be fun.

[Lenneth_Valkyrie]

I just want the game to be fun.

Why can't anybody else think like you..!? ><

Oh and for those complaining that the NMs drop too easy.. I think you have been lucky.. we tried for long to get our drops today..

[Dreadnought]

although i only prefer playing with hardcore players, there shouldnt be a reason for anyone and everyone to enjoy content on their off time.
ill happily play casually till they add actual hardcore reasons to play such as endgame. im sorry but killing open world NMs should never be considered endgame. who wants to crowd around 1 mob for a half hour spamming your attacks?

[Ostia]

Not that this discussion belongs here, but WoW lost players with Cata. Not enough to shut them down. It would take the Titanic to do that.

Ironically, they lost those players partially by "catering to the minority of hardcores", according to many of the quitting posts. Then when they started nerfing, people quit because they were "catering to the casuals". The rest were "bored with the game", due to lack of new content.

Bottom line is, I'm tired of hearing the casual vs.hardcore argument. I move to a new game, and they follow me.

I just want the game to be fun.

Warcraft loses players every single time a "Wow killer" releases, then 2-3 months later, they reclaim those lost players plus some more, it's been that way since release, if you really really think cata lost blizzard customers, then you don't know wtf you are talking about, i play wow, i'm not playing right now, but i'm still paying them $14.99 a M.O. And the nerfs, are not really nerfs, is just that people dont know wtf they are talking about

[Mitsuhide]

What a luck that I can enjoy this Game, yes even in its current state, without Rage or whine because there isnt any Content where you have to Camp all day for a drop rate of 0000,1%.
This game took 5 years until release and you expect a complete re-design in a few months?
You should try a real Hardcore "Game" its called reality, its not easy to change something that failed at release and this game isnt free for fun.
I can understand all the complain about Challenging Content but stop those "its all the Casuals fault" Bullsh...
Honestly i heard and read that the FF Community claim to be more mature than like WoW...I wouldnt agree with that at the moment.
Blaming a certain group is just stupid, SE makes the Game and when they decide to make it more Casual than you have to bear it, just like the Casuals have to bear it that FFXI was/is more "Hardcore" (Timeconsuming).

I want challenging Content too, I want Impressive and Godlike Creatures where every move can decide the outcome it has to be intense.
But I dont want to Camp 24/7 just for an item with a drop rate of like 1% and I dont what it do be served on a silver tablet.
This is still a game, so it should be Challenging because it is not a Holiday Simulation.
But this Game doesnt really offer anything of that to actually complain about the difficult.
And I dont think that Death/EXP loss is Hardcore its just timeconsuming it adds nothing to the challenge, no one wants to die, it doesnt matter if you get punished or not.
The battle system will be changed anyway, even though I like the system it needs more more Tactic but its also a problem with the monster having all a range attack and more important the nee ford defined Classes.

Yes it wanted to be totally different than FFXI, guess what? its because it was not supposed to be a Clone, its a new Game.
Do you buy everything with the label Final Fantasy and thinking its always the same?
After 14 Games you should know better.

Well i dont care wich direction it will go i just want to have fun, I have fun with the Game because of great people.
And if it has a direction I dont lik, I just quit and wait for another Game i might like but at the moment I have nothing to Complain exept the lack of (Challenging)Content.

[Abriael]

Isn't it lovely when someone just arbitrarily decides that he's the "main playerbase"?

Sorry mate, doesn't work like that. It's for developers and publishers to chose the target of a game. Not for you.

This game needs to appease as many people as possible to pick up, not to a small minority of fossilized hardcore gamers blinded by the nostalgia for surpassed and absolutely boring timesinks and grinds that will push everyone else away.

It's called priorities. And making the game absolutely boring isn't a priority,

[Reika]

Stopped reading right here.

I do not agree neither with a full-casual game, or with 5min NM repops, but this game was announced as a casual game since we first heard about it. I knew this game would probably have the bar a little lower than I wanted, but I chose to play regardless.

The only entitlement in these forums comes from the so-called hardcore players, who joined the wrong game, and now want it reshaped for them. You are not the main target. You never were, and this isn't changing. Just get out now.

You guys were told this game was going to be for casuals and for people who wanted to advance without playing much since the very beginning. The fact that you joined when you were in such disagreement with the direction you were told the game was made with makes you either really dumb or oblivious to the media (which doesn't make you any less dumb, should read about what you buy).

All of you people who act like FFs were anything like FFXI should just get the fuck out aswell. FFXI was the way it was because it was made to copy the giant MMO back in the day, which was Everquest. Has nothing to do with FF roots, and in fact the saga has only gotten easier since the FF NES titles barring optional bosses in some installments. Try replaying any of them now that you don't have the intelligence of a 10 year old (literally), it'll blow your mind.

The reason I brought this up is because this game is also directed at the FF player (or will be at some point, rather), someone different than the FFXI player. You are not the FF players they're aiming for, deal with it.

In before any of you try to argue that this game failed because it catered to casual gamers (which wasn't even true when the game came out). Preemptive fucking lol.

Signed and agreed. There are games with harcore content for hardcore players out there (WoW, Aion, FFXI). FFXIV production crew isn't going to focus on the hardcore before the casual.