SE stop doing the "norm"

[ZakarnRosewood]

Don't pretend exploration isn't fun either. More to the point, it keeps people playing longer, an interest for the MMO developer.

I've never needed a quest to get me to explore anything. Didnt think it was a requirement. I loved the thrill of trying to get to that thing way off in the distance and running scared throughout the zone cause i was way underleveled. I've done that in every MMO i played, Except 1.0 cause there really wasnt much of interest to discover.

I think what he is referring to is the way the quests were done in FFXI with very little detail and direction. I had that frustration too. Especially if i took a quest and forgot i had it. later i would check my quest log and think i want to complete it but the quest title and log were no help at all in trying to complete it. best bet would be google.

as long as they are smart about how the quest markers are done depending on the type of quest in ARR i dont foresee a big problem. A solution might be to have a "quest helper" toggle in the config menu, That would probably keep both parties happy.

[Firon]

What was that ls? Immortal something...

What ls? What server lol?

[Kyri]

Putting all the development emphasis at endgame and then letting your playerbase get to max level easily is the fatal flaw of almost every MMO ever.

Totally. all jobs to 50 should be a rare accomplishment. I have had a lot of fun leveling in XI and even the various styles I was able to play with as SE worked out kinks for it here in XIV. I didn't feel like XI was the same thing over and over. I think why I enjoy that way to XIV's is assaults were each different and so was salvage. I wouldn't enter salvage and spam the heck out of it till bedtime or till I hated it. I was forced to go do other things to continue salvaging. The current XIv systems not like that a change would be ok instead of CC let's do AV. I don't know imo SE was kinda getting it with hamlet. You would have to do provisions to be a top provisioner to get the stones, but I think Hamlet needs some serious rethinking because waiting to reset and fighting the rest of the awake community for spots isn't a fun system.

[Firon]

What ls? What server lol?

If you mean Immortal gods now i think about it then yeah i was in that ls but i ended up having rename my char cause i switched servers with my endgame ls then later came back.

[Thebard]

If you mean Immortal gods now i think about it then yeah i was in that ls but i ended up having rename my char cause i switched servers with my endgame ls then later came back.

Yeah and WHM should have a bow, but thats another story folks...

[Kallera]

You don't know what variety there's going to be because you've only seen like half a dozen quests.

So have you, what's your point? Your solution isn't one. The fetch quest in the starter area has a much a place as the AF coffer key quest in a beastman stronghold. There even more you can do, since quests in 14 can also include quest mobs ("escape from cell" guildleves, faction guildleves) and changing ??? Points ("necrologos" guildleves). 11 to a lesser extent had these too.

Leaving it in the player's hands isn't going to work anymore than the agro marker in 1.0. What was once a debatable thing ended up changing gameplay to suit the new system, you wouldn't go without your choice anymore than you would a specific WoW raid without the needed add ons.

[Kyri]

Kinda loved that aggro marker. I just wish there was a way the tank could read other peoples aggro bar

[Exn]

I'll admit that Alpha does feel... underwhelming and cookie cutter to anyone who's played multiple MMOs, but it is just Alpha. Your kinda forced to reserve judgement until at least open Beta, when we'd expect to see some core launch content. All the bells and whistles to make the final product of ARR shine haven't been implemented, and that's whats going to determine if this game truly stands out, or is just another casual gamer focused clone.

[Wolfie]

So have you, what's your point? Your solution isn't one. The fetch quest in the starter area has a much a place as the AF coffer key quest in a beastman stronghold. There even more you can do, since quests in 14 can also include quest mobs ("escape from cell" guildleves, faction guildleves) and changing ??? Points ("necrologos" guildleves). 11 to a lesser extent had these too.

Leaving it in the player's hands isn't going to work anymore than the agro marker in 1.0. What was once a debatable thing ended up changing gameplay to suit the new system, you wouldn't go without your choice anymore than you would a specific WoW raid without the needed add ons.

Quest markers aren't a solution to good quests vs simple quests, I don't know why you brought that up. It's a solution for unclear quest directions, for people who don't want to run around like headless chickens or be forced to look up information on fansites, that does not impact people that like having unclear quest directions.

It has no bearing on how fun or difficult quests are, as WOW can absolutely demonstrate that if you broaden your scope a bit*. If the game designers don't want to make quests that aren't simple fetch or kill quests, it's all on them. Not having quest markers is not going to make your no-lore 5 minute fetch quests more fun than the alternative. If the designers design fun quests, they'll be fun whether you use quest helper or not.

And agro meter is a whole 'nother beast that is not comparable, so please don't bring it up.

*WOW quests consist of only a single task. Quest chains consist of multiple quests in sequence, and you cannot do one before completing its predecessor. An isolated WOW quest is typically 'bland' (not always the case) and short (but not always easy), with very minor monetary and experience rewards. A quest chain is directly comparable to FFXI-style quests in that you have complete several to a dozen tasks before you received your ultimate reward, typically an item or skill.

[ZakarnRosewood]

Yeah and WHM should have a bow, but thats another story folks...

Hell no! WHM should have a mallet!