SE stop doing the "norm"

[Risae]

Guys, seriously. Since when did a WoW-Clone fail?

[Dannythm]

Guys, seriously. Since when did a WoW-Clone fail?

Warhammer Online
Aion
Rift
Tera
The Old Republic
Age of Conan
Dugneons and Dragons Online

And the list goes on.

[Ingolf]

Warhammer Online
Aion
Rift
Tera
The Old Republic
Age of Conan
Dugneons and Dragons Online

And the list goes on.

TERA was bad, but it was hardly a wow clone.

[Firon]

TERA was bad, but it was hardly a wow clone.

Most of these ppl did not even play these games, they just see the UI and auto think its a clone. I played Wow and Rift and Aion are nothing like it.

[Felis]

TERA was bad, but it was hardly a wow clone.

Didn't you know? Every game with quest markers are WoW clones. It's all about the quests.

[Dannythm]

TERA was bad, but it was hardly a wow clone.

Most of these ppl did not even play these games, they just see the UI and auto think its a clone. I played Wow and Rift and Aion are nothing like it.

Didn't you know? Every game with quest markers are WoW clones. It's all about the quests.

I played all those games and they are all Everquest clones, with gimmicks, none of those played risky except maybe, for the old republic, as they rsiked turning 8 single player games in one MMO, and you all know how it turned out.

What success did Warhammer online had? Or Aion and Rift all of them closing merging servers and going f2p because they can't keep players? Minor changes to the combat systems or just adding an extra talent tree or more slide bars in the character creations do not alter that they are all based of the same mold, and that is the path Everquest set, that wow perfected and everyone copied.

That's why I liked FFXI and what I liked about Tanaka's vision, that they are out of the same route, they want to give the players a different experience, not just the same old one with a new gimmick and a equally colorful world than the game before.

[Gokulo]

I believe that was sarcastic.

Also, Rift didn't really fail. But that's offtop and people like to argue about that.

[Tonkra]

SWTOR is not a WoW Clone to me... its a clone of Biowares offline RPG's where you played through a strict storyline. WoW did not had thousands of synchronized cutscenes.
its easy to say "WoW Clone" if you have no idea about what you are talking about.


i hope for all of us (and even the pessimists) that ARR could surprise us in a good way. well lets see.


you all sound like that you actually played FF14 ARR yet.
and it has not that much to do to clone anything.. to me.. its just to modernize the FF Online franchise. the offline FF franchise also developed over the years, why a FF14 Online cant?


all that you want is just to have back the good old way of "grind everything" till death back and thats it. because you know it from FF11. just please stop that.. at least ARR differentiates much more then in comparison to FF11, which is a good thing.
in ARR you wont only progress through quests, there are still leves.. and much more dungeons, where you can level through with your group.

which i think is a good thing... i imagine this to be like in the offline ff's like FF12 where you leveled also through dungeons.


personally i dont want to play 1.0. anymore.. even if they implement thousand of contents and patch it till death.. my interest is totally gone . the world design is too awful and boring to me (la noscea, the gridanian forest...) ... the gameplay is unfluent, too old fashioned frumpy and not fun after a while.. and it seems no patch could ever rescue 1.0. for me.. and thats not only my opinion ask the people who left the game, and these forums also. look at the player numbers, they are shrinking and shrinking.

they never could patched 1.0. to success anymore.. it NEEDS a new world, a new gameplay etc. and stuff.. in my opinion they did it right. many LS members are inactive now and wait for 2.0. because they think 1.0. is just boring right now compared to ARR.

and we just have seen starter areas and the basics. the most interesting part to come yet. i mean.. crystal tower and the thousands of boss artworks we have seen ... cant wait how they are going to be in the reboot.

[KiriA500]

personally i dont want to play 1.0. anymore.. even if they implement thousand of contents and patch it till death.. my interest is totally gone . the world design is too awful and boring to me (la noscea, the gridanian forest...) ... the gameplay is unfluent, too old fashioned frumpy and not fun after a while.. and it seems no patch could ever rescue 1.0. for me.. and thats not only my opinion ask the people who left the game, and these forums also.

I'm glad I'm not alone in this mentality.

[Lirion]

personally i dont want to play 1.0. anymore.. even if they implement thousand of contents and patch it till death.. my interest is totally gone . the world design is too awful and boring to me (la noscea, the gridanian forest...) ... the gameplay is unfluent, too old fashioned frumpy and not fun after a while.. and it seems no patch could ever rescue 1.0. for me.. and thats not only my opinion ask the people who left the game, and these forums also.

This. I log on, then get hit by how stiff everything feels then I log back out and go play something else. My real life friends who started playing with me left after a couple of months after launch and the only reason they have kept their eyes on FFXIV is because of what Yoshi have done with ARR.