Back Paddling is horrible.

[Psykotsu]

Standar in the industry... lol

Its standar by WoW, which is dominant in the industry. So other MMORPGs have been trying to copy their forumal to success or maybe clones in order to steal away their players.

XI did well without this system. 1.0 did well (regarding that matter) without copying it too.

Its a risky statement to say "Consider the process that dev has been through to make this as default movement control." when all they did was copy and paste WoW's to replace a function that had no problems and was standar in FF's franchises.

It wasn't standard in FF:Franchises. There was only one other game. And the reason XI didn't have it is probably because EverQuest didn't. :/

You guys who use the whole "wow clone" thing always have arguments that lack substance. Explain why it's bad as opposed to why it's a copy and people might consider what you have to say.

[Majidah]

It wasn't standard in FF:Franchises. There was only one other game. And the reason XI didn't have it is probably because EverQuest didn't. :/

While back pedaling wasn't present in all of FF games, turning around in the direction you press without holding an extra button is. So this is standar for final fantasy games.

You guys who use the whole "wow clone" thing always have arguments that lack substance. Explain why it's bad as opposed to why it's a copy and people might consider what you have to say.

I already did. Several times.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...657#post916657

And to that add that WoW's method is also horrible from an aesthetical point of view.

What I'm still wanting to hear is an argument that defends back pedaling other than "WoW did it".

[Psykotsu]

While back pedaling wasn't present in all of FF games, turning around in the direction you press without holding an extra button is. So this is standar for final fantasy games.




I already did. Several times.


And to that add that WoW's method is also horrible from an aesthetical point of view.

What I'm still wanting to hear is an argument that defends back pedaling other than "WoW did it".

I don't recall anyone supplying you with a defense such as "WoW did it". No one gives a fuck about WoW, it's just natural. All the games that have back-pedaling has a button that allows you to turn 180 degrees. I can't see how you still have an issue.

And here, I, and another person have given a reason why back-pedaling is useful outside everyone's apparent "Wow did it" defense.

Back pedaling won't vanish because it's implemented for multiple reasons that is answered here.



Exactly, you can't parry if your back is facing the enemy. I think some people have forgotten that we can be attacked in 4 different directions. This gives us a retreat while having the ability to block or parry enemies.

And it's especially important for pvp. But I don't think you'll be a fan of pvp since it likely won't be like XI's intricate and immersible pvp system.

The user's quote is missing but I recapped it with my response.

[Majidah]

I don't recall anyone supplying you with a defense such as "WoW did it". No one gives a fuck about WoW, it's just natural. All the games that have back-pedaling has a button that allows you to turn 180 degrees. I can't see how you still have an issue.

I already answered this.
Claiming its not "because WoW did it" to "because other non ff mmorpgs have done it" is basically the same.
This is movement setup that was standarized because of WoW and games trying to copy it. Its awkward and convoluted.
There is an already better, more natural, alternative that works on gamepads aswell: 1.0's method.

And here, I, and another person have given a reason why back-pedaling is useful outside everyone's apparent "Wow did it" defense.

This was already answered to in
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post915016

If that's the only reason to keep back pedaling as default movement it brings to the table more problems than 1.0's system had (if any at all). Not to mention that the original system already featured back pedaling in battle.

[pool842]

I already answered this.
Claiming its not "because WoW did it" to "because other non ff mmorpgs have done it" is basically the same.
This is movement setup that was standarized because of WoW and games trying to copy it. Its awkward and convoluted.
There is an already better, more natural, alternative that works on gamepads aswell: 1.0's method.



This was already answered to in
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post915016

If that's the only reason to keep back pedaling as default movement it brings to the table more problems than 1.0's system had (if any at all). Not to mention that the original system already featured back pedaling in battle.

Your wow argument is old and the only reason you don't like it is because you want to use a controller just admit it. Every time you bring up WOW did it to it just makes you look dumb sorry... but it is not even close to the only mmo that does I know of about 7 off the top of my head and its because its a natural pc movement. Not to mention Tanks and ranged need backpedaling. I can tell you really won't understand how good it is till you either pvp which I know you wont just by your posting and tough fights were moving while tanking and or dps-ing is a big deal. Ya you can back peddle in battle but only when you are locked onto a target which again restricts freedom. In both wow and RIFT you can be locked on to a target and still have complete freedom of movement with backpedaling. Its just you can't use a fancy controller. Secondly this control scheme is good to help any mmo player out there conform to FFXIV 2.0 not just wow lol... were did you even get that argument?

[Klefth]

And people still keep replying like they never saw backpedaling in 1.0. You DO backpedal IN BATTLE, it's already been said, and what the OP means is not for it to be taken out of the game, but for it not to be the default movement scheme. As in, not out of battle. Just when locked onto something. You know, like it's been ever since XI. Also,

Your wow argument is old and the only reason you don't like it is because you want to use a controller just admit it.

You make it sound as if playing with a controller was a bad thing? What's with that?

[pool842]

And people still keep replying like they never saw backpedaling in 1.0. You DO backpedal IN BATTLE, it's already been said, and what the OP means is not for it to be taken out of the game, but for it not to be the default movement scheme. As in, not out of battle. Just when locked onto something. You know, like it's been ever since XI. Also,
You make it sound as if playing with a controller was a bad thing? What's with that?

Its bad for an mmo yes it restricts what you can and cannot do.

[Jynx]

Ya you can back peddle in battle but only when you are locked onto a target which again restricts freedom.

How is having unrestrained movement...restricting it?

If anything being forced to backpedal all the time is more restricting than anything I'm used to using my camera to keep a watch on my surroundings while my character continues to move forward. I'm not really a fan of my camera dictating my movement direction.

Sure you can unlock the camera but the controls look less than wieldy. Personally I feel that the current Control scheme they have in Alpha and one akin to our current one will both show up, room for everyone to play how they want. I don't see any reason that the system would restrict us from having both control schemes.

[pool842]

How is having unrestrained movement...restricting it?

If anything being forced to backpedal all the time is more restricting than anything I'm used to using my camera to keep a watch on my surroundings while my character continues to move forward. I'm not really a fan of my camera dictating my movement direction.

Sure you can unlock the camera but the controls look less than wieldy. Personally I feel that the current Control scheme they have in Alpha and one akin to our current one will both show up, room for everyone to play how they want. I don't see any reason that the system would restrict us from having both control schemes.

Then you have never played another mmo but 14 or 11 so no point in talking to you

[pool842]

How is having unrestrained movement...restricting it?

If anything being forced to backpedal all the time is more restricting than anything I'm used to using my camera to keep a watch on my surroundings while my character continues to move forward. I'm not really a fan of my camera dictating my movement direction.

Sure you can unlock the camera but the controls look less than wieldy. Personally I feel that the current Control scheme they have in Alpha and one akin to our current one will both show up, room for everyone to play how they want. I don't see any reason that the system would restrict us from having both control schemes.

It does not dictate your direction it can if you need it to thats the great things about it.