Why Casual Friendly Would Stop ARR From Dying

[Buddhsie]

How are some people agreeing with a thread that includes ideas like 10 year old girls with the best gear available? How?

*shoots self*

Praise Allah none of you are devs. I don't mind casual people having options but just saying"hey lets just make it really easy for people to get the best gear in the game" my god..

Fixed my post, not in favour of that.

Also your sig makes it incredibly difficult for me to care about anything you post, I'm sure other people feel the same. You should change it.

[strallaalaa]

no matter how you look at it. you can make a mmo the hardest you possibly can, say like the hardest modes in offline games. but in the end that won't save a mmo from people leaving. the content will get beat by most eventually and they will leave cause there is nothing left to do.

in the end what casuals are asking for is just that. they want to pay a monthly for a offline game worth of content. beat things in it ones or twice and call it complete. they want to solo everything. they want everything in the game cause they still want to feel special witch they shouldn't no matter what cause they make a mmo these days in a baby version just for them.

in the end they will get what they want. mmo's will keep failing after 6months and going f2p right? so they will keep cutting costs. it will be planned obsolescence in a mmo. mmo's will keep getting shorter and the only thing that will separate them from offline games are stupid hubs they call online play and crappier graphics. they will keep doing this and then maybe hope that one will get lucky like rift and not go f2p. it's a sad thought but that is how it's moving towards less they totally 360 and go back to hard content with lots of long progressions in everything.

maybe what needs to happen is they create an offline version of the mmo inside the mmo so casuals can buy and play it online but just not sandbox but linear parts and then a monthly to open the real content with grinds in it. if that makes sense?

[AmyNeudaiz]

There's no set definition for a hardcore and casual gamer. Everyone has their own perception.
The guy prefaces his video with "this is what I mean when I use the terms hardcore and casual in previous and future videos"
To say he doesn't know what he's talking about just means you're being condescending to try and look smart.

You're own point of view on what casual and hardcore is fine, as I said everyone has their own perception. But having your own opinion doesn't make everyone else wrong.

A casual gamer is a player whose time or interest in playing games is limited.

Hardcore gamers prefer to take significant time and practice on games, and tend to play more involved games that require larger amounts of time to complete or master

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Stating facts are not a matter of wanting to look smart or being condescending. The guy replies to blander comments with more blander. Telling someone they are wrong with wrong info still makes you wrong, which is basically 95% of the video.

[Ralos]

source

Stating facts are not a matter of wanting to look smart or being condescending. The guy replies to blander comments with more blander. Telling someone they are wrong with wrong info still makes you wrong, which is basically 95% of the video.

Really? you're using Wiki as your source? Because it's on the internet it's true!

If I log onto wiki and edit that article to meet my opinion then you'll agree with me right? After all it's only semi protected and my wiki account meets the requirements of editing semi-protected articles.

My point is that the definition you're citing there is not the set in stone definition because there is none.

[Zizzefex]

To be fair, GW2 hasn't failed and SWTOR failed for a lot of reasons.

That being said, I do not want a casual-only FFXIV either.

No. GW2 has failed and the only reason fanboys say it hasn't is because noone is paying a monthly fee so whiner's can't cry 'look at the sub numbers'. If you counted people actually playing it... it has lost (and is losing) players faster than TOR and FF14 (at the start). It is already... the walking dead.

SWTOR failed for many reasons.... but the 2 biggest reasons were the game engine and the casualness of the game (the fact you could be done all hardmodes in a few hours... and then you are done for the week... which is the epitome of a casual game that the TC wants).

[Nero]

To be fair, GW2 hasn't failed and SWTOR failed for a lot of reasons.

That being said, I do not want a casual-only FFXIV either.

GW2 failed... hard. Way to overhyped and way to casual. IF you say it did not fail because you play it, people could say the same about FFXIV 1.0.

[AmyNeudaiz]

Really? you're using Wiki as your source? Because it's on the internet it's true!

If I log onto wiki and edit that article to meet my opinion then you'll agree with me right? After all it's only semi protected and my wiki account meets the requirements of editing semi-protected articles.

My point is that the definition you're citing there is not the set in stone definition because there is none.

I merely provided a link to the quotes in which I used to further my point that it is the general consensus of opinion on the matter and when defining definitions, that is what makes a definition a fact.

If you wish to argue that opinion can not be taken as fact, that is a whole different subject unfitting of the topic at hand.

Back to the subject at hand, hardcore gamers take games seriously, casual gamers do not. There is some grey area as I mentioned but this is the general jest of what it takes to be considered hardcore or casual and the person in that video did not seem to grasp that.

[Recycler]

Are there any official numbers regarding GW2, or do you all base it on 'all the guys I know / read don't play anymore'?

[AmyNeudaiz]

No. GW2 has failed and the only reason fanboys say it hasn't is because noone is paying a monthly fee so whiner's can't cry 'look at the sub numbers'. If you counted people actually playing it... it has lost (and is losing) players faster than TOR and FF14 (at the start). It is already... the walking dead.

SWTOR failed for many reasons.... but the 2 biggest reasons were the game engine and the casualness of the game (the fact you could be done all hardmodes in a few hours... and then you are done for the week... which is the epitome of a casual game that the TC wants).

GW2 failed... hard. Way to overhyped and way to casual. IF you say it did not fail because you play it, people could say the same about FFXIV 1.0.

I will state that I have never played GW2 and have no intention to, I was basing my opinion off the words of friends who do play it often so I could be wrong there.

That being said I may have to look into this myself, I'd honestly love it if GW2 falls on it's ass like the rest of the casual appealing MMO games that dominate the market for no reason.

As for TOR, I also didn't play it but I've seen reviews a plenty and opinions of those who have beaten the game in its entirety, although one of the main reasons it failed was because it was too casual, that is merely a needle in the haystack of problems the game had. It was just a poorly thought out game that solely relied on the SW name to try to be bigger than it was.

In conclusion, FFXIV ARR has something to learn from both of these titles.

[Hanemakikaze]

Why is this even an argument, the game is going to be casual friendly whether people are butthurt about it or not. If they want to make any money from all the hard work and money they put into rebuilding this game they will without a doubt be trying their best to make it so it pleases the majority. And the only way to do that is make content far more accessible to people (and of course not be a terrible game).

Just because it caters more to casual player base doesn't make it a bad game nor does it mean it has to be easy, that is unless they basically spoon feed you all gear like wow does. But I highly doubt that will be the case, and anyone who freaks out over the word casual needs to chill, it only brings more players to the game since many more can enjoy the world in most of it's glory.


And to be honest, the game was pretty easy as is, it was childsplay to reach 50 after a few updates. The primals, were laughable after getting the strategy down but then again that goes for any scripted encounter in any mmo. Even the "raids" were a joke, fail? Hey buddy try again over and over and over till you get it right! Win? Hey head back in in 10min! I would say the only real tough guy in this game was the rng.

And about guild wars 2, it losing players has NOTHING to do with being casual, it has to do with it being too different from the norm, similar to final fantasy. There is no endgame in guild wars 2, there is no trinity(tank healer damage), there are no raids, you dont feel much stronger at 80 than you did at level 1 since you can get all your attacks at any level besides traits and all areas scale your level down to whatever the cap the place is, then there's 80 gear which hardly changes your damage unless youre hauling around a legendary weapon. The game is by no means a bad game, and I play but no I'm no fanboy but if you're gonna hate on it be a hater for the right reasons.