Yoshi suggests playing WOW for a year

[Azurus]

well eq2 came out in 2004 same year wow did, i didn't play it but it probably wasn't a wow clone. i'm saying if they make another now it probably will try to be and fail.

Lol EQ next would like to have a word with you. Look it up. It's going to be a sandbox, as different from wow as you can get. FF mmo fans, more so than others, seem to be blind to the rest of the genre and put ffxi up on a pedestal. Ffxi was my first true love in the mmo space, however I'm not completely ignorant towards the rest of the genre.

[Nox]

People need to stop saying that ARR is going to be a WoW clone. What yoshida made his staff do is wonderful. If they truly want to create a successful MMO then they need to research what is successful NOW, and right now WoW is still the most successful MMO. The ARR team is taking what's worked in WoW, and making it better and fit the Final Fantasy franchise. I'm sick and tired of hearing ARR is gonna be a WoW clone. get real people. If you honestly believe that crap you know nothing about the video game industry.

[GreyJorildyn]

I just say that cos people keep saying ffXI is a clone of wow ...tired of seing that
i got people i know in real who play wow and dont like FF game ..say FFXI is a copy of wow

These people are all morons.

[YeaniNah]

These people are all morons.

thats what i tell them all time. I pissed one of my co-worker he love WOW and he try to be in the beta test but he didn't get any but me i received it when i don"t play and never did i only subscribed for diablo3 beta
So he was piss off cos he asked me for it and i said sorry i deleted the email cos its a crap game lol

i got from them : beta invite ,a email with a code that give free collection game and if i subscribe they send me it its still on my account of blizzard lol,
and i juste received this
An exclusive Obsidian Nightwing, shapeshifting you into a flying mount that can carry one passenger, when your friend pays for 60 days of subscription time*.

• 30 days of FREE World of Warcraft game time when your friend pays for 30 days of subscription time**.

lol
they are losing people alot lol hahahahahahahaha see it is getting crapy

[Valmonte]

i couldn't play it for week let alone a whole year. perhaps yoshi may want to look at other psychological forms of torture instead.

[YeaniNah]

I glue to final fantasy game ..and will always be glue to them till they stop making game ..(hope they never stop )

[Preypacer]

People need to stop saying that ARR is going to be a WoW clone. What yoshida made his staff do is wonderful. If they truly want to create a successful MMO then they need to research what is successful NOW, and right now WoW is still the most successful MMO. The ARR team is taking what's worked in WoW, and making it better and fit the Final Fantasy franchise. I'm sick and tired of hearing ARR is gonna be a WoW clone. get real people. If you honestly believe that crap you know nothing about the video game industry.

You seem awfully sure of yourself.

Have you played the game? Do you actually *know* how they've approached it? Have you been in design meetings or somehow privy to what they're doing?

Or, are you just hoping out loud, expressing what you hope it will be, or wont' be?

Are you trying to convince yourself, or us?

The more I learn about ARR, the more remarks I see Yoshi make about its gameplay and the way they're integrating things, the more concerned I become that they actually are making more like a WoW clone than not like one. However, that remains a concern because unlike you, Nox, I don't have a crystal ball allowing me to declare exactly what ARR will and won't be, nor the arrogance to believe I can divine it either way.

As for the remark made in another post about "SE doing the best thing by copying the most successful MMORPG out there, WoW"... that line of thinking has gottne a number of other MMO devs into trouble because they tried to do the same thing. With very few exceptions, the response from players has been "yeah... no. If we wanted to play WoW, we'd just play WoW".

I could understand the first several MMOs to come out in 2 or 3 years following WoW's release to fall into that trap since they only had WoW's success to go on. But you'd think that after that first wave of "us too" MMOs came out and performed underwhelmingly, that developers (and even investors and bean counters) would begin to see that, while it sounds great on paper, "copying WoW" isn't necessarily the best approach.

The only P2P MMO I can think of that has been heavily influenced by WoW and has managed to hold its own with a healthy subscriber base is Rift. All the others have either been reduced to insignificance, have gone the "f2P to save our asses" route, or closed up altogether.

In the meantime, the industry is slowly but steadily beginning to realize that relying on the WoW model of "quick progression through content-centric gameplay" is not sustainable anymore. Not in this time when people expect to be level cap in a week no matter how many levels there are, or how much other content there is up to that point. Content that takes a developer months to create will be completed in days, sometimes hours by gamers upon its release.

It's being realized, now, that for a MMO to maintain a sustainable flow of gameplay for players in the long-term, it has to have more "game systems" where the players become part of the content... and not just "content created by the developers/designers". That could be PvP, it could be housing or any kind of player/community-driven activity. It can be a political territory control system, etc.

It doesn't have to be a sandbox, but it does need a meaningful impact on the game and its players (in the context of the game world, etc). Grinding raids and instances for points to buy gear with is not a "system"... it's content designed to keep people playing "just a bit longer". It's not a system designed to keep people entertained indefinitely.

The goal is to have people playing the game continuously out of enjoyment for the gameplay itself. It should never be based on "how many carrots can we dangle in front of players and how long can we keep stringing them along, before they get sick of it?"

So, while I hope - sincerely hope - that I'm wrong, I'm beginning to get a really bad feeling about ARR. I think Yoshi might be swinging too far in the other direction, based on what he's revealed, and various "one off" remarks he's made in interviews and articles.

Just my two gil's worth.

[Gramul]

Sorry, never going to Kotaku.

[Warlock]

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why would you need a crystal ball? just look at all the alpha footage ..does it look/feel like WoW to you?

[strallaalaa]

yeah yoshi's remarks lately feel like they are purposely said in the direction of those players who hate casual play, that hate wow, that hate solo gameplay over party, that want ffxi type game play, that enjoy grinds or very long progressions. yoshi seems like he is hinted that no, we are selling out to the highest bidders and that "wow is the way to go"...he is wrong if this is what he is hinting to. i'm only 33 and though i'm getting tired of mmo's and how they suck ..even if i quit playing them i'll enjoy laughing as every mmo fails for another 20years if they don't get this mentality out there heads.

but yeah i still don't see from the footage so far that i'm seeing a wow clone. it still looks like a fun mmo. and i'm still excited to play this bad boy at launch for sure. i just hope i don't end up quitting in 6months with a stale taste in my mouth.