Yoshi suggests playing WOW for a year

[Azurus]

thats what i tell them all time. I pissed one of my co-worker he love WOW and he try to be in the beta test but he didn't get any but me i received it when i don"t play and never did i only subscribed for diablo3 beta
So he was piss off cos he asked me for it and i said sorry i deleted the email cos its a crap game lol

i got from them : beta invite ,a email with a code that give free collection game and if i subscribe they send me it its still on my account of blizzard lol,
and i juste received this
An exclusive Obsidian Nightwing, shapeshifting you into a flying mount that can carry one passenger, when your friend pays for 60 days of subscription time*.

• 30 days of FREE World of Warcraft game time when your friend pays for 30 days of subscription time**.

lol
they are losing people alot lol hahahahahahahaha see it is getting crapy

Uh oh look out, a 10 year old game almost is declining in subs a little bit. Definitely crap. You see most on this forum will paint wow as crap, when the whole rest of the mmo sphere consider this game crap and xi a grind fest. People here think hating on wow is cool or something. Keep pretending that you only know what games are good cause I guarantee you that you are in the minority and it isn't just because "you know better". Wow doesn't have to be your cup of tea but it atleast deserves acknowledgement as the highest grossing game ever made and it's ability to withstand time. FFXiv looks amazing so far. Wow wasn't for me so I moved o. And I see a lot of potential in xiv, but I won't sit here and pretend there is nothing it can borrow from the most successful mmo ever made

[Preypacer]

why would you need a crystal ball? just look at all the alpha footage ..does it look/feel like WoW to you?

Does it look like WoW? No. But then neither does Rift or a number of other games that actually play very similarly to WoW. Graphics are not gameplay. Environment design is not gameplay.

Does it "feel" like WoW? I won't know that 'til I get a chance to play it myself. I know I've played myriad other MMOs that looked nothing like WoW, but still felt a lot like it.

Regardless, as I stated... my concerns are based on what Yoshi's said, and what he's explained. Not on what he's shown - since, in terms of gameplay we haven't seen a whole lot yet.

[Velhart]

I could explain the concept of genres and MMO's again, but alas, the people have a hard time understanding how the video game industry works and only way they will understand is waiting for ARR to come out. The look at the outside and scream "WoW Clone!".

You know, you can do the same thing to Bioshock. "OMG! Bioshock is a total FPS clone! Look it uses the same type of interface as everyone else.

"Final Fantasy is clearly a copy of Dragon Quest." <-- People who have played both the first title of these, you know it isn't true, but they are both turn based battle games with almost the same setup and developers admitted they used inspiration.

[Preypacer]

I could explain the concept of genres and MMO's again, but alas, the people have a hard time understanding how the video game industry works and only way they will understand is waiting for ARR to come out. The look at the outside and scream "WoW Clone!".

You know, you can do the same thing to Bioshock. "OMG! Bioshock is a total FPS clone! Look it uses the same type of interface as everyone else.

"Final Fantasy is clearly a copy of Dragon Quest." <-- People who have played both the first title of these, you know it isn't true, but they are both turn based battle games with almost the same setup and developers admitted they used inspiration.

If that was directed at all at me, then you need to read my post again. I have not outright "looked at the outside and screamed "WoW Clone!". I've expressed concerns I have that they are moving more in that direction based on remarks and explanations Yoshi has given that clearly (and openly) indicate they are using WoW as the basis for a number of their gameplay systems and implementations.

The key words there are "expressed concerns". I'm not claiming anything is definite and can not do so 'til I've tried it myself. Regardless, the important thing to understand is that expressing concern for something is not the same as declaring that it has happened.

Saying "I hope Jim doesn't get into an accident due to the icy roads", is not the same as saying "Jim got into an accident due to the icy roads".

If my concerns prove unfounded - and I hope they do - you will see me breathe a satisfied sigh of relief about it.

I also realize and have seen how trying to implement something in one MMO because "it was very popular in another" is not always the best way to go. A lot that works great in WoW, does so because it's WoW. Just as things that work great in XI do so because it's XI, but likely wouldn't if shoe-horned into another game. Things that work great in Eve Online do so because it's Eve Online, but wouldn't automatically work if shoe-horned into another game. Each of those games are designed entirely around a core type of player experience, and each of their defining game systems were devised to better support that specific player experience.

Sometimes I get the impression that some people around here are far too "cut and dry" in their thinking, and look at things only surface deep.

[Virtuso]

A decade or more ago, I read an interview with a dev, forgot who but I remember them being asked something like "What's the one most important thing to do in order to make a successful game" Or something like that and they answered "Play lots of other games, take the best things you like in them, then make it your own."

Sounds like someone we know?

[Preypacer]

A decade or more ago, I read an interview with a dev, forgot who but I remember them being asked something like "What's the one most important thing to do in order to make a successful game" Or something like that and they answered "Play lots of other games, take the best things you like in them, then make it your own."

Sounds like someone we know?

And that's wise and solid advice.

Where it goes wrong is in how those ideas are implemented.


Ideas and inspiration are all well and good and motivational on paper. However, execution and implementation of those ideas is what matters at the end of the day. The best idea on paper can (and often does) fail on implementation.

[Warlock]

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You have way too many baseless concerns for your own good ..and baffles me that you can't have a feel of the game with the alpha footage as they have done battle and all in it and doesn't follow WoW at all ...they were inspired in basic technical things from WoW not the gameplay it remains to be an improved version of 1.0 FFXIV has strategy in it's battles WoW is beat the crap outta it asap because the bosses have a gazillion HP and you only see numbers flying up ,
as a matter of fact 1.0's speed runs were more WoW-clone than anything and Yoshi-P is getting rid of it

[Preypacer]

You have way too many baseless concerns for your own good ..and baffles me that you can't have a feel of the game with the alpha footage as they have done battle and all in it and doesn't follow WoW at all ...they were inspired in basic technical things from WoW not the gameplay it remains to be an improved version of 1.0 FFXIV has strategy in it's battles WoW is beat the crap outta it asap because the bosses have a gazillion HP and you only see numbers flying up ,
as a matter of fact 1.0's speed runs were more WoW-clone than anything and Yoshi-P is getting rid of it

I can't understand what you don't understand. I've explained myself quite clearly.

My concerns are quite solidly based. They're derived from things that Yoshi has clearly and plainly said, in black and white, for all to see. There's no ambiguity.

Your counter-points are derived from what you choose to take away from videos that demonstrate none of those things Yoshi's discussed that have me concerned.

Yoshi has made several remarks/explanations about gameplay systems being implemented that were derived from WoW, and it has me concerned that might be going farther in the "WoW clone" direction than I'd personally like. There's really nothing to "understand" about it. What has been shown in the videos to date has not addressed or illustrated any of those things.

It's really quite easy to understand, when you actually bother to. Are you just being deliberately obtuse?

[Felis]

Yoshi has made several remarks/explanations about gameplay systems being implemented that were derived from WoW, and it has me concerned that might be going farther in the "WoW clone" direction than I'd personally like.

Example?

/10char

[Preypacer]

Example?

/10char

Are you kidding me?

- Cross server grouping - my experience with that in other MMOs (including and especially WoW) has been that it's not all it's cracked up to be, doesn't resolve issues it's intended to, and actually introduces new issues of its own.

- All instanced dungeons - removes an element of MMORPGs that I personally greatly enjoy, which is finding and then exploring some random cave, cavern, ruin, whatever off in the middle of nowhere.. seeing what's in there.

- "Strong guidance in all zones so people know where to go and what to do" - How will they do that? Does that mean a lot of hand-holding for even the simplest/most menial of tasks?

Just to name three.

Each of those things sound innocuous on their own. However, as I've explained, it's their implemenation that concerns me. If they take one of those ideas and rework them in a way that feels "right" in FFXIV and not copied wholesale and doesn't cheapen the experience, then great. My concerns are unwarranted.

However... until I see and get to experience those things hands-on for myself to decide either way, they remain concerns. Someone telling me what they assume they will or won't be does not change that.

Yoshi's made a number of statements describing systems being implemented in XIV that are inspired or derived from other MMOs, including WoW. I'm concerned about how those systems will be implemented and how they will affect the gameplay. I hope my concerns prove unfounded and it all "works out". That's it. That's all there is to it.

Never in my life have I had to 'defend myself' for expressing a concern over something. Good grief, people. Are some people around here seriously so protective of this game that someone even expressing personal concerns over certain things puts you into White Knight Fanboy, "I must protect the precious!" mode? FFS