Why not abolish the Class system entirely in favor of Jobs? [@ Devs]

[Shougun]

Hmmm... Perhaps some new lore can be introduced into ARR that tes things together... I don't know. If it was ever to be done, Yoshi would find a way to do it. It would take quite a lot of work tooling it in, though.

For classes you pretty much wouldnt do anything to the lore. However for (adv. jobs) BLM you'd have to build up a beginning lore and abilities/skills.

It wouldn't be something you (dev team) could finish quickly. But it would allow jobs shine better/differently.

I suggested this idea in another thread before - but also said it might be too late for such a change (not enough time).

I understand what you mean, but the change you suggest simply doesn't fit the lore, as the blm story is deeply ingrained within the Thaumaturge story.

Also, you're suggesting a *massive* increase to the grind involved in the game, and the sole idea is honestly staggeringly bad.

I dont see why you think there are lore breaks. Yes BLM relates to THM and it can continue to do so in lore, just like child relates to parent but doesnt have to be the same (real life).

Rates of leveling would be determined on the system used not everything is plug and play - its a big change I know that.

[Abriael]

It wouldn't be something you (dev team) could finish quickly. But it would allow jobs shine better/differently.

They already do. There's no reason to make an immense retcon to the lore of the game and to submit the playerbase to twice as much the grind in order to polish something that is already shining.

[Abriael]

Well a bit can change in the five years that people spent in limbo. Maybe a new storyline for people starting BLM can be worked in. But it would mean taking more time to finish ARR. Depends on the sacrifice people are willing to make for a new system.

yeah, people would so much be willing to wait longer in order to be able to grind more. I can see that happening.

[Shougun]

Well a bit can change in the five years that people spent in limbo. Maybe a new storyline for people starting BLM can be worked in. But it would mean taking more time to finish ARR. Depends on the sacrifice people are willing to make for a new system.

Yeah .. adding in that many fleshed out classes wouldnt be fast lol

[Abriael]

I dont see why you think there are lore breaks. Yes BLM relates to THM and it can continue to do so in lore, just like child relates to parent but doesnt have to be the same (real life).

BLM doesn't just relate to THM, you become a black mage directly from being a thaumaturge.

Rates of leveling would be determined on the system used not everything is plug and play - its a big change I know that.

If you just halved the experience necessary to reach 50 in order to balance the double amount of grinding to do, getting one class to 50 would be too fast. If you didn't, you'd have just submitted the whole playerbase to twice as much the grind for the sake of a technicality.

The current class/job system with linked leveling ensures flexibility. There's no reason to change what is not broken.

[Shougun]

BLM doesn't just relate to THM, black magic is a specialization of thaumaturgy.

Yeah and Gladiators use swords.. cool w.e Paladins use swords too. Arcanists are going to use magic to do dots. That is no matter.

If you just halved the experience necessary to reach 50 in order to balance the double amount of grinding to do, getting one class to 50 would be too fast. If you didn't, you'd have just submitted the whole playerbase to twice as much the grind for the sake of a technicality.

It would require testing. Slowing down ARR release. It worked fine in FFXI I can say that. One of FFXI better features.

The current class/job system with linked leveling ensures flexibility. There's no reason to change what is not broken.

Hardly flexible in what jobs can accomplish every purpose has to be moved to classes which share abilities and jobs just add small nuances.

Didnt say it was broken, just said I would prefer a system where jobs are recognizable beyond the classes they were derived from.