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    Quote Originally Posted by tobyx View Post
    I too believe that simply not caring about and putting it out there in an equal fashion is the best plan of action. Just have it work for 2 characters to marry. Don't care about the rest.

    That would be awesome. It gets put into the game, it works regardless of gender and not even one official statement about it. Because it honestly should not be a huge issue at all. Love is never wrong.
    It's too late for that. Yoshi has already commented.. saying that this is a sensitive issue and the plan is to not include same sex marriage at launch but to wait for feedback in the future.

    I say let them marry.. In real life and in the game.. I don't think anyones will should be forced on others when nothing violent is going on and no one is getting hurt in any way. In fact I would consider not allowing people to marry who they choose, is a hurtful and mean thing to do.

    "it honestly should not be a huge issue at all. Love is never wrong."

    What if in the future, there was a small but growing number of people openly attracted to animals, who were demanding their rights to marry in Final Fantasy 31? What if society eventually got used to hearing about people like this, to the point where some were actually saying "this should not be an issue, it's the year 2080, it's not that big of a deal". The idea of being attracted to the same gender was definitely not something openly talked about in the past, it was totally taboo. Do you think my scenario is ever going to happen? If not, what would people 50 years ago have told you if asked the same thing about gay marriage in the year 2012? They'd think it's ridiculous, just how you probably think what I'm saying is ridiculous. Heh.

    Here's a new question for you guys. Should there be laws against bestiality and marriage between a human and animal? The person would have to demonstrate that the animal in question enjoys having sex with its human partner before they consider allowing them to marry of course.. otherwise that would be rape.

    I'm high.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IloveYouPumpkin View Post
    Here's a new question for you guys. Should there be laws against bestiality and marriage between a human and animal? The person would have to demonstrate that the animal in question enjoys having sex with its human partner before they consider allowing them to marry of course.. otherwise that would be rape.
    Could you please not ruin the whole topic by bringing this complete non-sense up?

    This is about the relationship between CONSENTING ADULT HUMAN BEINGS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IloveYouPumpkin View Post
    It's too late for that. Yoshi has already commented.. saying that this is a sensitive issue and the plan is to not include same sex marriage at launch but to wait for feedback in the future.

    I say let them marry.. In real life and in the game.. I don't think anyones will should be forced on others when nothing violent is going on and no one is getting hurt in any way. In fact I would consider not allowing people to marry who they choose, is a hurtful and mean thing to do.

    "it honestly should not be a huge issue at all. Love is never wrong."

    What if in the future, there was a small but growing number of people openly attracted to animals, who were demanding their rights to marry in Final Fantasy 31? What if society eventually got used to hearing about people like this, to the point where some were actually saying "this should not be an issue, it's the year 2080, it's not that big of a deal". The idea of being attracted to the same gender was definitely not something openly talked about in the past, it was totally taboo. Do you think my scenario is ever going to happen? If not, what would people 50 years ago have told you if asked the same thing about gay marriage in the year 2012? They'd think it's ridiculous, just how you probably think what I'm saying is ridiculous. Heh.

    Here's a new question for you guys. Should there be laws against bestiality and marriage between a human and animal? The person would have to demonstrate that the animal in question enjoys having sex with its human partner before they consider allowing them to marry of course.. otherwise that would be rape.

    I'm high.
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    You are high if you think this tired old excuse wasn't trotted out less than 100 times before. Its not insightful, its willful ignorance of actual relationships and the law.

    Animals and Pets cannot give legal consent. They do not have the cognitive abilities to understand the relationship and what they are entering into. And that is not even going into the sex, which depending on the animal, can kill it or you in your attempts.

    It is no more legal than attempting to marry a 2 year old, and just as harmful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallera View Post
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    You are high if you think this tired old excuse wasn't trotted out less than 100 times before. Its not insightful, its willful ignorance of actual relationships and the law.

    Animals and Pets cannot give legal consent. They do not have the cognitive abilities to understand the relationship and what they are entering into. And that is not even going into the sex, which depending on the animal, can kill it or you in your attempts.

    It is no more legal than attempting to marry a 2 year old, and just as harmful.
    What about mentally handicapped people? If they seem to enjoy their time sexually with someone, should they not be allowed to marry because you think they don't understand the relationship?

    So what if the dog wags its tail when the guy drops his pants? That would be a good indication that it wants whats coming. If it stays there and gets humped without runnning away, its giving consent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IloveYouPumpkin View Post
    What about mentally handicapped people? If they seem to enjoy their time sexually with someone, should they not be allowed to marry because you think they don't understand the relationship?

    So what if the dog wags its tail when the guy drops his pants? That would be a good indication that it wants whats coming. If it stays there and gets humped without runnning away, its giving consent.
    Speaking as a former dog owner, You are full of it. Note I said cognitive abilities. There is no dog that has the cognitive abilities of an 18 year old human. And even barring the fact that wagging tails do not imply understanding,;or approval of your intentions, inadvertently implying that rape doesn't exist if the victim cannot run away is just sick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IloveYouPumpkin View Post
    What if in the future, there was a small but growing number of people openly attracted to animals, who were demanding their rights to marry in Final Fantasy 31? What if society eventually got used to hearing about people like this, to the point where some were actually saying "this should not be an issue, it's the year 2080, it's not that big of a deal". The idea of being attracted to the same gender was definitely not something openly talked about in the past, it was totally taboo. Do you think my scenario is ever going to happen? If not, what would people 50 years ago have told you if asked the same thing about gay marriage in the year 2012? They'd think it's ridiculous, just how you probably think what I'm saying is ridiculous. Heh.

    Here's a new question for you guys. Should there be laws against bestiality and marriage between a human and animal? The person would have to demonstrate that the animal in question enjoys having sex with its human partner before they consider allowing them to marry of course.. otherwise that would be rape.

    I'm high.
    Why do people always bring nonsense like this into these arguments? Animals are not human beings. Let me know the next time a horse is allowed to vote, then maybe we can talk about marriage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KiriA500 View Post
    Why do people always bring nonsense like this into these arguments? Animals are not human beings. Let me know the next time a horse is allowed to vote, then maybe we can talk about marriage.
    But voting takes intelligence, a very small amount but more than what a horse can manage. Marriage is about love... Or government benefits. :3

    "Why do people always bring nonsense like this into these arguments"

    Really? This type of discussion is typical? That's scary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IloveYouPumpkin View Post
    But voting takes intelligence
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    Quote Originally Posted by KiriA500 View Post
    Okay you're right. A horse can manage it.
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