SE is always SE... Rage inside... :/

[whoopeeragon]

I'm not sure how a friend or a person I know being dishonest or not following NDA has any effect on me.

Do the cops give you bad looks if one of your friends or acquaintances commits a crime? That's such an ass-backwards logic.

Not to mention the fact that you think SE handpicked testers rather than using an automated system is laughable at best. They don't peruse the forums to pick testers, they use a script and invite people who follow the criteria put into the script.

I know, I never said it didn't. That doesn't change the fact that some people are dishonest (or whatever you want to call them, dishonest is such a strong word) and will tell their friends/family anyway.

You can have sex, get drunk, do drugs and murder at 13, in private. Doesn't mean that it's right to do so. Same with NDA; as far as I know, it's like a contract between you and the company who issued it. You break it, you suffer.

I never said SE handpicked testers. Thank you for putting words in my mouth. It's a whole lot different between picking testers and viewing who's breaching NDA and crossing their name off the list.

And why can't they? All it takes is for one of the reps to see who's posting non-NDA approved material, check their account, and cross their name of the list. God knows we have people actively admitting to breaching the NDA on the Official Forums of all places.

Certainly they can't monitor other places. But Official Forums is their own turf; if anyone's dumb enough to post material, and they pick up on that guy, well then. His own fault, not SE's.

Disclosure of Proprietary Information

As stated in the “FINAL FANTASY XIV: A Realm Reborn Tester Agreement,” testers are prohibited from publicizing any proprietary information related to the Alpha Test on external sites. In the event that we confirm that infringement has occurred, your rights to be a tester will be revoked and your FINAL FANTASY XIV account will be suspended.

We will announce if and when Alpha Test-related details can be publicized, so please take great care in their handling until they have been made public. For feedback and discussions between testers, please use the dedicated tester forum, which will open at a later date.

And as for knowing a friend being dishonest having no impact on you whatsoever? Then why the hell does ARR still have the stigma of 1.0 hanging over it? Why do police routinely patrol the same areas of a city where violence is more prominent, even if certain residents are pure as angels?

The fact that Dragonheart is pretty much crowing about knowing lots of people with invites means that he's probably not trustworthy to abide by the NDA. If he knew a dishonest friend, but kept silent, that's a different story.

"Let sleeping dragons lie." Dragonheart's just provoking the dragon, even if he's not a tester himself. Quoted from Bayohne's post:

As Alpha Test content is under NDA, it is not allowed to be posted on official and external websites, including by users that are not Alpha testers. If you're unsure whether the information you want to post has been officially released, we ask that you refrain from posting it.

It's pretty much black and white. No grey middle leeway for you to talk about the NDA. Heck, even me talking in this post may be a breach of the NDA itself.

[Aion]

but someone who able to apply alpha with INACTIVE account should become issue, dont you think so?

[Colino]

You can have sex, get drunk, do drugs and murder at 13, in private. Doesn't mean that it's right to do so.

Oh for fuck's sake.

I'm not playing devil's advocate and saying it's totally cool to tell everyone, I'm just saying some people do it anyway.

Again, I never said it was right, or cool or anything at all. All I said was that regardless of the NDA, people will breach to tell their friends etc etc.

I'm not trying to find loopholes in the NDA or anything like that, I'm tired of repeating this and it's getting a bit ridicolous tbh.

[Kallera]

the problem is not someone did not get invite event though they apply and have active account... but someone who applied with inactive account...do you think it is working as intended??

I do not know the particulars of the agreement within the email, but SE is looking for a sample population of testers. If they AGREE to partake in the testing for Alpha, SE is happy. If there are not enough responses, SE sends for more. If people are breaking the agreement SE responds accordingly, (bans and legal action) and send for more testers.

This mysticism about game testing is why actual game testers get terrible pay and little in the way of benefits, despite playing games to find bugs is a hell of a lot more tedious than you think, especially when your job depends on it.

[NarikoStar]

You can have sex, get drunk, do drugs and murder at 13, in private. Doesn't mean that it's right to do so.

Oh for fuck's sake.

getting good.

-BACK ON TOPIC NOWZ-

[whoopeeragon]

but someone who able to apply alpha with INACTIVE account should become issue, dont you think so?

That is an issue, I agree, since alpha registration page states:

Application Requirements

- Must currently have an active FINAL FANTASY XIV account
- Must be at least 18 years of age
- Must be willing to participate actively and submit bug reports in at least one of the following languages: Japanese, English, French, German
- Must have a PC that meets the minimum system requirements of the game

However, it seems that if we follow strictly the WORDING of the registration, it implies that to APPLY you have to be an active account holder. If you manage to get INTO the application, it seems that you may still be in the chance for it, judging by the support post:

How are the participants of the alpha test selected?

We will select participants based on the information that is provided during the application process. Unfortunately, we cannot specify what criteria we will look for in the application.
* Please note that we will not be selecting participants in the order that the applications were received.

And as I recall, in the application itself, it does not ask whether you were active or not.

[Chardrizard]

How does anyone even know if they registered with inactive FFXIV account, sounds like load of crap from a whiny entitled little bitch.

[AntonyB]

That is an issue, I agree, since alpha registration page states:



However, it seems that if we follow strictly the WORDING of the registration, it implies that to APPLY you have to be an active account holder. If you manage to get INTO the application, it seems that you may still be in the chance for it, judging by the support post:



And as I recall, in the application itself, it does not ask whether you were active or not.

Not exactly sure, but I applied while my account was inactive and it DID NOT ALLOW IT. Only after was I allowed to apply.

[Evenstar]

Can anyone tell me where it says you can not tell anyone that you are in the alpha?

It is not a secret there will be alpha testing, it even says so on the official page. How can it hurt anyone at all knowing that person X is an alpha tester or not?

[Aion]

That is an issue, I agree, since alpha registration page states:



However, it seems that if we follow strictly the WORDING of the registration, it implies that to APPLY you have to be an active account holder. If you manage to get INTO the application, it seems that you may still be in the chance for it, judging by the support post:



And as I recall, in the application itself, it does not ask whether you were active or not.

I dont have issue with someone who apply the alpha, even though they wont attend the test..as long the application process is working as intended.