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  1. #131
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shougun View Post
    Ever googled an acronym? There are so many with the same format.

    F2P is the generally accepted format (though we are using that term a bit loosely here since really its a hybrid of premium and free).

    Free To Play = FTP. Makes sense to me, though of course having a CS background I read File Transfer Protocol, but in context it doesnt make sense so I read Free To Play.

    Just like when speaking there, their, they're - context calls function.

    Acronyms are not limited to a single set of words. While confusing it is a completely legitimate action.
    And so humanity has let them self be ignorants... .
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  2. #132
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seirra_Lanzce View Post
    And so humanity has let them self be ignorants... .
    OR that you think you are a lord of English and its usage. (Common misconception of languages is that they are static - they are most definitely not)

    I can make words and acronyms when I want how I want, whether they get caught into the mainstream is a separate issue.
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  3. #133
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shougun View Post
    Acronyms are not limited to a single set of words. While confusing it is a completely legitimate action.
    Indeed, not sure why Seirra is all bent out of shape over it.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FTP_%28disambiguation%29

    FTP is used from everything including a function of IMF, a type of cable, a political party in Thailand, a New Deals project, and even a communist French resistance group in WW2!!

    It's all about context.
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  4. #134
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    The reasons why pay-to-play MMORPGs go free-to-play - especially IP-Based MMORPGs like this one - is because they fail to keep subscribers interested in the long-term. This is due to a lot of things - lack of communication, of innovation, of variation, and much more. When an MMORPG can't hold itself together anymore from lack of subscribers, then it goes F2P.

    This game can hold itself together for a long time (unless Realm Reborn fails horribly, in which I can begin to understand F2P as an option) because it has enough players to keep it going. The company's doing fine enough that financial backing isn't a problem, either.

    Not only that, but F2P games are garbage in quality 99 percent of the time (Thank you, Korea). Yes, there are exceptions, but do NOT say that Guild Wars 2 is a viable comparison. Guild Wars 2 is developed by ArenaNet as well as produced by NCSoft. Even if the playerbase were to drop, the game would still recieve some sort of funding because of K-AION/Lineage 2/bunch of other games.

    Some could say that FFXIV is the same, being funded by the same sort of company - but what matters is that for each game, their model WORKS. Until the time where subscriptions don't work, I don't see why we really need to put in the effort. A game doesn't need a bajillion subscribers to be considered an MMORPG. If a few hundred thousand isn't massive then you need a reality check. Imagine a hundred thousand people in one room? Do you guys even KNOW a hundred thousand people? If yes, then congratulations, Mr. President.

    Some could say that F2P is the way of the future - it is instead an adaptation... to crappy F2P MMO clones and washed-out Western P2P MMO releases-gone-wrong. And, as adaptations go, people seem to expect it, in all of its shitty f2p glory.

    This game's model works. Until it doesn't work, I don't see the damn point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aenarion View Post
    Indeed, not sure why Seirra is all bent out of shape over it.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FTP_%28disambiguation%29

    FTP is used from everything including a function of IMF, a type of cable, a political party in Thailand, a New Deals project, and even a communist French resistance group in WW2!!

    It's all about context.
    I read it as Fried Twinkie Pancakes. Usually leaves a better taste in my mouth than FTP games, that's for sure.
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    Last edited by yoshikwalla; 11-24-2012 at 06:55 PM.

  5. #135
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    I'd rather have the P2P system.
    The people who invest the money into it and of course, time, usually stick with the game, making it a tighter community.
    I don't want Brazilians infesting this world with their "BR Gib muney huehuehue" and crappy communities like that who'd play the game for 2-3 days, not get what they want/or even get good stuff, and then bolt because it's f2p, who cares right?

    Wrong. I don't want to waste my time or anyone's with people with this mentality, which unfortunately depicts 90% of the MMO and gaming community, entitled lazy douches.
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  6. #136
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    Quote Originally Posted by PinkamenaDiane View Post

    With free to play + micro transaction model some people will be inclined to buy funny hats, unique looking armor, weapons, mounts, exp boosts they will actually end up spending more money then like 10 subscribers.
    Except you right? You're not gonna buy sh*t. lol
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    I assume all you "Pay to Play" people use American Express and gladly pay it's yearly fee when paying for your MMOs? It clearly superior to Visa and MasterCard right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laraul View Post
    I assume all you "Pay to Play" people use American Express and gladly pay it's yearly fee when paying for your MMOs? It clearly superior to Visa and MasterCard right?
    Is this supposed to be clever?
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  9. #139
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gokulo View Post
    Is this supposed to be clever?
    Is that question rhetorical?
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    What you don't get by asking for F2P is the shallowness of that. How much exp does it take to level? Multiply it by 2 and sell exp boosts. How tough should this fight be? Multiply the damage by 1.5 and sell potions in the cash shop. How should you obtain some nice looking gear? Sell it in the cash shop instead of it relating to game content or being tied to progression. How hard is it to progress through the story? Buy a bunch of items and don't worry about it.

    When everything boils down to microtransactions there's no way for the developers to control what kind of experience you are going to wind up having. And instead of a well-crafted, cinematic, elevated art form, you're going to get a cheapened, purposeless, hamster wheel of a way to spend your time. I mean this is Final Fantasy. It's known for its substance. People take pride in making it. If you don't have any pride or substance in your life, maybe this isn't the game for you. If you want to be as mediocre as the games you want to play, go play Aion or some other Korean game that exists purely for that purpose.
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