FC Housing

[Rizon]

After reading the Q&A post on Lodestone I have questions and concerns as regards FC housing. If I read it correctly SE is setting up a dormitory (Barracks) housing arraignment at release. Some of the main features I see from this and other pronouncements are:

1. Access controlled by FC leaders
2. The need for all members to pay a portion of the cost for the purchase of the housing.
3. Communal storage facilities

My questions are:

1. How much control will FC leaders have. This is my personal space I do not want interference.

2. Can leaders kick me out on a whim. I do not want to spend a large amount of Gil to procure housing then all of a sudden lose it for whatever reason. How is my investment protected?

3. Who will have access to the communal storage? Will it be like a Guild bank where once deposited it becomes community property or will our items be flagged for our use only?

These are some of the concerns that I have. Unless safeguards are implemented FC housing can become an area ripe for abuse. For all I know the Dev team has already addressed this but has yet to announce it so I will wait til I actually see it implemented in game but without these safeguards I will have absolutely nothing to do with FC Housing.

On a general note I am retired military with 24 years on active duty. A large part of that time was spent in a dormitory (barracks) setting. It is my personal observation that forced communal living under the control of others can strains the strongest of relationships. I sincerely hope that the Dev team will be working hard after release to implement individual housing.

These are my personal concerns. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong. Also feel free to disagree with me but please respect my right to air my opinions and concerns.

[GinTama]

After reading the Q&A post on Lodestone I have questions and concerns as regards FC housing. If I read it correctly SE is setting up a dormitory (Barracks) housing arraignment at release. Some of the main features I see from this and other pronouncements are:

1. Access controlled by FC leaders
2. The need for all members to pay a portion of the cost for the purchase of the housing.
3. Communal storage facilities

My questions are:

1. How much control will FC leaders have. This is my personal space I do not want interference.

2. Can leaders kick me out on a whim. I do not want to spend a large amount of Gil to procure housing then all of a sudden lose it for whatever reason. How is my investment protected?

3. Who will have access to the communal storage? Will it be like a Guild bank where once deposited it becomes community property or will our items be flagged for our use only?

First of all, Yoshi said Housing will be available for FC only at first till the community settles in.
So a few months maybe after release you will be able to purchase housing for yourself only. (if you have the moneeey)

A FC consisting of at least 4 members including leader, can buy a house and share the costs.
Sharing the costs is not needed but probable as its expensive.

How a FC is split in terms of power and control is not really known, it could be there are some more key positions.
Further it is not known if power over housing is split if costs are shared, latter could very well be possible.


As i understood from the live letter, everyone from a FC gets a room assigned or can choose one. That room is probably like the inn rooms right now and atleast instanced. Further i dont think FC leader can interfer with your room or even kick you out of the room/house if you shared costs.

I share your concerns and hope housing will be fair to everyone.

[Xatsh]

The main thing I think is join a solid guild where the leaders are not going to screw you over honestly. If you have leaders or what ever that would do what you posted above you should not be in that guild, because it is almost destined to fail.

The controls have to be there for a leader though or the opposite can be true. What happens if a member chips in and ends up being a complete a royal pain, causes constant drama, griefs other members. The leaders have to be able to kick that member and remove all his access payment received or not.

Unless I missread I think Yoshida said for most people to get a house everyone will have to chip in. From official translation: "A house of this size is going to require everyone to dish out some dough. It’s pretty expensive." I have yet to read where it state you Have to pay into it as in to use it, I think it is more you will have to pay into it to afford to buy it at all.

On the point of storage I hope there is both honestly, Personal and Guild(communal). As for Bank a restriction to leaders only for larger stored items and gil is pretty much necessary. Or else the bank would be impossible to manage.

All in all your concerns are relevant OP, but I think this is more of a finding an honest guild then something SE can fix.

[Obsy]

It is my personal observation that forced communal living under the control of others can strains the strongest of relationships.

Unless I'm mistaken (and/or misunderstanding your concern), there's really nothing forced in joining a Free Company and thusly taking part in accommodations available to you. I'm thinking of it almost as a mini-LS/static group along the lines of a roommate situation.

[Shougun]

Wonder what the precedence will be when a player gets kicked out of a guild after they spent loads of money upgrading their assigned room. Do the items belong to the guild or the player? Or if you bought the house but are not the main leader, can you be ousted from your own guild hall?

[Rizon]

Unless I'm mistaken (and/or misunderstanding your concern), there's really nothing forced in joining a Free Company and thusly taking part in accommodations available to you. I'm thinking of it almost as a mini-LS/static group along the lines of a roommate situation.

Unfortunately the game is being setup so that you are almost being forced into this type of housing. There are many perks and benefits associated with FC Housing that are not otherwise available. Hopefully these perks will transfer to individual housing when implemented.

[Warlock]

Yoshi-P is hoping for ppl to be honest with each other and not screw others. Seriously there shouldn't be a need to do this in a good honest FC that gets stuff done better not give motives to be kicked the fear of asshole leaders power tripping is real tho

[Twiddle]

Wonder what the precedence will be when a player gets kicked out of a guild after they spent loads of money upgrading their assigned room. Do the items belong to the guild or the player? Or if you bought the house but are not the main leader, can you be ousted from your own guild hall?

I think it will be more of a common room nothing as lavish as personal living space for the housing when it comes to the FC housing. What am thinking is something along the line of what LOTRO did with housing. You had your guild house, and your personal house... Anything you put in to personal was your to keep, anything you donated to the guild house belonged to the gild house... LOTRO is the only game i know that did this so it will be interesting to see what path SE takes....

[Obsy]

Unfortunately the game is being setup so that you are almost being forced into this type of housing. There are many perks and benefits associated with FC Housing that are not otherwise available. Hopefully these perks will transfer to individual housing when implemented.

Hm... I think we may be looking at two different meanings of "forced" here. I'll agree that the perks of joining an FC would lead a player to want to be part of one, however I also believe that no one's holding a proverbial gun to our heads, either.

It's my understanding that the whole point of this setup is to further cement solid and long-standing relationships between players through said perks. In my experience with XI and XIV, reputation and accountability were both very heavily-encouraged concepts—your actions and behavior in parties stuck with your character for a long time, partly because multi-classing prevented making thirteen alts, so people learned who you were—so I'm wondering if this serves as yet another way to encourage making (positive) lasting impressions on your potential FC teammates by putting you in a situation where reputation and accountability come back into play...

tl;dr, If the perks of joining a Free Company are worth it enough to everyone involved, then they'd better learn to play nice or else we're turning this car around.

[YeaniNah]

T_T i wanted my personal house to decide what i want in it ..and the only people i want to share thing with is my brother and my wife but my wife don't play yet -.- and my brother want his house his own way

He want his house in limsa style..and me in gridania style