Lets think about the class system/Amoury system...

[Wilksha]

If you guys didn't read What Zant said:

The OP has some good ideas, but I don't think we will see any changes.

Keep in mind that the current Japanese names for each class are directly tied to the Armory system and are named specifically after what weapon/tool is used:

Marauder = 斧術士 (Axe Master)
Lancer = 槍術士 (Spear Master)
etc.

So unless the Japanese names for the classes change to match what we get in our English I Don't see multiple weapons for each class.
For those that keep saying classes are useless Post 30, I beg to differ here. Classes vs. Jobs post 30 all depends on what you are doing and the Class itself. GLD to PLD is obviously a better choice as nothing is really lost for solo or party play. But then look at the magic Classes over the magic Jobs the classes are usually better for solo as you not limiting to a group of mobs weak to either wind or thunder or earth is you don't mind the recasts. Plus with BLM your only healing ability is Second Wind, not nearly enough in dire situations is Sleepga failed or was interrupted. But as this was all for 1.x, so how we utilize a class vs job will be different.
My only gripe atm from 1.x point of view is the 2 sub classes that some jobs had, mostly the magic classes here. WHM was gld and pgl while BLM was arc and pgl. WHM's subs where ok as gld has some decent abilities to make whm survive big attacks with sentinel. But blm's arc and pgl has access to only 6 abilities with 2 being silly on blm and another useless.
that's 3/5 abilities set if you did the math. I hope the reworked armory system removes pgl from blm subs and gives it cnj and the same for whm; pgl to thm.
Now to just wait and hope to get into the beta to actually see the changes the SE team will make. Even if I don't like particular changes to the classes or jobs, as long as the game plays well and I enjoy it, there is no reason I "have" to play on the classes I don't like.

[Zezlar]

Personally think they should change the Armory system. Rarely do I ever see anyone on classes. So other then being used as a sub requirement to obtain the jobs or perhaps solo some normal mobs. The system is pointless. I would like to see a redesigned system.

[Felis]

Starts as Becomes
Squire ---------------> Paladin
Animist --------> Beast Master
Gladiator ------------ >Warrior
Lancer --------------->Dragoon
Sage ----------------->White Mage
Fencer --------------> Red Mage (eg.also having Black and White Mage at lvl 35)
Kendo --------------->Samurai
Pugilist --------------->Monk
Archer --------------->Ranger
Muse ---------------->Bard
Assassin ------------->Ninja
Archanist ------------>Summoner
Elementalist --------->Black Mage
Soldier -------------->Dark Knight
Pilferer -------------->Thief

No musketeer?

[Airget]

I think they could, maybe rework the crystals to be more of an "archetype" focus.

If we look at each job in the game we can see it in the basis as:
Warrior=Heavy DD
Monk=Combo DD
Dragoon=Critical DMG DD
Paladin=Tank
White Mage=Healer
Black mage=Elemental DD
Bard=Support
Summoner=Pet

Basically they could tailor each crystal to work on focusing on an archetype for said class to focus on where the crystals potential with a class is unlocked through quest.

So in the example of the Warrior Crystal it could still be called the Warrior Crystal because of it's focus on dealing high damage to foes, then in the example of say if a Pugilist were to imbue themselves with the Warrior Crystal they could become the job of "Black Belt" or something to that extent, where it's basically a Monk that focuses more on dealing heavy damage through kick attacks rather than focusing on combos.

Though that's where the problem comes in, cause the more and more you add the tougher it becomes to make sur everything stays balanced and while we would like to see a wide variety of class/jobs in the game, what fun are they to have if you favorite class ends up being gimp because another class can do things better than the class you want to be. Then you run into issues with nerfing tweaking and it does become a big mess. Hopefully they have some way to prevent the need of tweaking overtime to the extent that it is in XI where even now they are tweaking jobs to make them all worthwhile to use during events lol.

[Rustyhagun]

No musketeer?

Fixed it.

[razz]

Wow... finally.... another "let's change Armoury-/Class-System"-Thread.
Yeah we all know how great FFXI was and how stupid FFXIV is bla bla bla... i can't hear it anymore^^

This is NOT FFXI, the Armoury- and Class-System is fine! Maybe some small changes to make classes and jobs more different from each other but nothing more. I think many of you forget that when level cap increase comes, let's say next step is lvl 60: every class gets 2 new skills and 3 new traits, every job 2 new skills. With 2 or 3 more classes (archanist, musketeer) there will be more ways to combine classes for jobs.

Classes are for solo-play and small groups. Jobs are for full-parties. They have a different purpose.

And pls be more creative and don't stick to FFXI that much. E.g. why does DRK need to have a scythe or branch of from gladiator? It doesn't make sense in FFXIV. It could come from a new class, it could be a job for lancer or marauder. Weapon could also be a spiked mace or a Morning Star.

[Soukyuu]

I've posted a solution to this insanity before and it's quite simple.

Treat the current classes like normal until they get to 30. At 30 you need to do the job quest to progress further. You cannot get exp until you finish the quest whereupon you get promoted to the Job. This extends leveling a little bit by adding a simple limit break quest and gets rid of the useless classes post 30. Nice and simple and works with the lore.

Reminds me of Ragnarok Online. I wouldn't mind having that system here too, and it work without having to rename our base classes, even in the Japanese version.

[Jacien]

The OP has some good ideas, but I don't think we will see any changes.

Keep in mind that the current Japanese names for each class are directly tied to the Armory system and are named specifically after what weapon/tool is used:

Marauder = 斧術士 (Axe Master)
Lancer = 槍術士 (Spear Master)
etc.

And since the Armory system is here to stay, we won't see multiple types of weapons for each class (at least not radically different)

However, the relic system shows us that jobs can have different weapons than their respective classes (they auto-equip the job soul needed ).

So DRK could be another job for MRD but have access to Greatswords or Scythes where MRD (and WAR) wouldn't*

*just an example.. I don't want to start an argument over what class DRK should come from.

This person knows what's up. Most people here have this conception that Jobs deviating from a Class HAVE to use that type of weapon.

It really doesn't matter that classes are here to stay. Time will tell to show the new revamps that the Battle Team has planned.

[HiirNoivl]

IBlack Mage should be able to use all spells that THM can use and be able to equip all weapons/armor that THM can since it's essentially the next level of Thaumaturgy....which is why the class exclusive stuff makes no damn sense to me.

I can get behind this. Why BLM can't AoE Sanguine rite is beyond me. BLM should have Enhanced Sanguine Rite and it should be better than THMs.

[Zantetsuken]

I always felt that jobs should be treated as advanced classes. For example: Thaumaturger can be changed so that there is no reason to want to use it once you unlock Black Mage. Black Mage should be able to use all spells that THM can use and be able to equip all weapons/armor that THM can since it's essentially the next level of Thaumaturgy....which is why the class exclusive stuff makes no damn sense to me.

Class = Solo or Duo play
Job = Large Party play

Makes perfect sense when you think of it that way.

Do classes need more tweaking so that they function better at soloing?? Yes, I think so. Here is what I proposed earlier:

Passive job traits that shift stats and HP/MP/TP: eg. When changing from GLA to PLD, a player loses 25% of their max TP and STR, but gains a 25% boost to max MP and VIT. Similarly, BLM could lose some casting speed and spell interruption resistance, but it would gain a Magic Accuracy and Magic attack Power increase over THM.

Exclusive class abilities: eg GLD gets the AoE Weaponskill 'Circle Blade' but PLD cannot use it. Likewise, 'Cleric Stance' could become restricted to only CNJ.

Classes get access to a wider range of gear than jobs - Restrict WHM and BLM from using shields, Give PGL the ability to wear haubergeons and other light armor, whereas MNK would be restricted to leather and cloth gear.

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[...] Why BLM can't AoE Sanguine rite is beyond me. BLM should have Enhanced Sanguine Rite and it should be better than THMs.

Because THM doesn't have access to 'Sacred Prism' unless it borrows it from CNJ. And BLM trades off using CNJ abilities for more exclusive spells.

We want MORE differences between jobs and classes, not less.