[Speculation Discussion] Our Primal

[Orophin]

I wish it were cost effective at the time to play more than one character. A lot of that stuff KaMuiSouZou posted was from the Gridania and Ul'Dah stories, and I didn't experience them firsthand.

One of the names I recognized was Niellefresne, who is the brother of Colberneaux from the Goldsmith class quests. They explain later on more about Niellefresne and how he was stabbed by Heartseeker, a dagger that puts its victim in a sort of comatose like sleep, so they can't pass onto the next plane. His brother seemed to be trying to find a way to steal the dagger and destroy it so his brother could truly rest in peace. The dagger also belonged to the owner of the Goldsmith guild, so it sounds like some shady stuff was going on there.

Anyway, sorry for going off tangent, just regretting not getting to do Gridania or Ul'Dah storylines.

[KaMuiSouZou]

I was under the impression that Nophica was the one singing to us.
However, I've really no evidence by which to stand on beyond that she is of the Second Moon (Second Month) and Dalamud was the literal Second Moon ;v

This is very possible. In Beckon of the Elementals, a Pudgy Moogle tells us that they have a message from the elementals: "Those beckoned by the forest are here as messengers of Nophica herself - to bring the words of the Matron to all." For whatever reason, I feel more inclined to believe it's Nophica or one of the Twelve rather than Siren/a primal. However, Nophica is the guardian deity of Gridania so this quote could just be part of Gridania's storyline and not refer to the voice in the beginning which is in all three cities. Maybe the voice is indeed Nophica, and all twelve play a part in the echo, summoning and guiding us to stop the Ascians and/or Primals..?? Althyk's powers as god of space and time certainly fit the Echo. If so, perhaps that's why Louisoix could teleport only us (those touched with the Echo) and not everyone else?

One of the names I recognized was Niellefresne, who is the brother of Colberneaux from the Goldsmith class quests. They explain later on more about Niellefresne and how he was stabbed by Heartseeker, a dagger that puts its victim in a sort of comatose like sleep, so they can't pass onto the next plane. His brother seemed to be trying to find a way to steal the dagger and destroy it so his brother could truly rest in peace. The dagger also belonged to the owner of the Goldsmith guild, so it sounds like some shady stuff was going on there.

Interesting! I've only done the first class quest to all the DoH and DoL, so I did not know about Heartseeker. If the owner of the Goldsmith guild owns that dagger, then it could mean powerful people behind Ul'dah are already connected to the Ascians (or whoever the bad guys end up being)? Being stabbed at that particular moment when he looks at Ascilia's father's corpse tells me it's far more than just a Goldsmith sidestory.

[NoloeTazier]

This is very possible. In Beckon of the Elementals, a Pudgy Moogle tells us that they have a message from the elementals: "Those beckoned by the forest are here as messengers of Nophica herself - to bring the words of the Matron to all." For whatever reason, I feel more inclined to believe it's Nophica or one of the Twelve rather than Siren/a primal. However, Nophica is the guardian deity of Gridania so this quote could just be part of Gridania's storyline and not refer to the voice in the beginning which is in all three cities. Maybe the voice is indeed Nophica, and all twelve play a part in the echo, summoning and guiding us to stop the Ascians and/or Primals..?? Althyk's powers as god of space and time certainly fit the Echo. If so, perhaps that's why Louisoix could teleport only us (those touched with the Echo) and not everyone else?


Interesting! I've only done the first class quest to all the DoH and DoL, so I did not know about Heartseeker. If the owner of the Goldsmith guild owns that dagger, then it could mean powerful people behind Ul'dah are already connected to the Ascians (or whoever the bad guys end up being)? Being stabbed at that particular moment when he looks at Ascilia's father's corpse tells me it's far more than just a Goldsmith sidestory.

Ascilia's father (Warburton) had important information about the Garleans and Ala Mhigo. Corguevais tells Ascilia that Niellefresne had planned the Goobbue escape in order to gain ground with the people, but Warburton was an accidental death. You learn all this from Thancred and his poker bet in the Platinum Mirage. They were going to attempt to use Necromancy to bring back Warburton so they could hear what he had to tell, but then Niellefresne was stabbed from behind. You witness it happen by using The Echo through Ascilia that shows Mumuep and Niellefresne opening her father's tomb so we can only suspect that she stabbed him.

[KaMuiSouZou]

Ascilia's father (Warburton) had important information about the Garleans and Ala Mhigo. Corguevais tells Ascilia that Niellefresne had planned the Goobbue escape in order to gain ground with the people, but Warburton was an accidental death. You learn all this from Thancred and his poker bet in the Platinum Mirage. They were going to attempt to use Necromancy to bring back Warburton so they could hear what he had to tell, but then Niellefresne was stabbed from behind. You witness it happen by using The Echo through Ascilia that shows Mumuep and Niellefresne opening her father's tomb so we can only suspect that she stabbed him.

Ah, I didn't know Warburton's info was specifically about the Garlean Empire/Ala Mhigo. Out of curiousity when was it explained, because I don't see that info in Golden Sacrifices?

As far as I know, we have no idea who actually stabbed Niellefresne? When you say "we can only suspect that she stabbed him" I'm assuming you mean the owner of the Goldsmith's guild? (is the owner female?). I don't know the full extent of the Goldsmith class story (only did the first quest) but I doubt the actual owner was the one who did the stabbing (the character model seems to be male as well). But again I'm wondering how much it ties into the main story, as opposed to just being part of the goldsmith class quest line.

[NoloeTazier]

Ah, I didn't know Warburton's info was specifically about the Garlean Empire/Ala Mhigo. Out of curiousity when was it explained, because I don't see that info in Golden Sacrifices?

As far as I know, we have no idea who actually stabbed Niellefresne? When you say "we can only suspect that she stabbed him" I'm assuming you mean the owner of the Goldsmith's guild? (is the owner female?). I don't know the full extent of the Goldsmith class story (only did the first quest) but I doubt the actual owner was the one who did the stabbing (the character model seems to be male as well). But again I'm wondering how much it ties into the main story, as opposed to just being part of the goldsmith class quest line.

I mean Ascilia stabbed him, you go with F'lhaminn(think thats her name) and you discover Ascilia laying on the floor of the tomb and she's shaking scared, that's when you use The Echo. This is all main storyline. Goldsmith quest I don't remember it going into anything too deep (seems like the quests take place WELL after the main storyline) just that Colbernoux seemed to love F'lhaminn like his brother did. After the what? 4 main storyline quests? I don't remember anymore about Corguevais and Ascilia after. Things kicked off the Path of the Twelve quests, maybe there was nothing more to the story that we wouldn't find out from Minfilia.

[KaMuiSouZou]

I mean Ascilia stabbed him, you go with F'lhaminn(think thats her name) and you discover Ascilia laying on the floor of the tomb and she's shaking scared, that's when you use The Echo. This is all main storyline. Goldsmith quest I don't remember it going into anything too deep (seems like the quests take place WELL after the main storyline) just that Colbernoux seemed to love F'lhaminn like his brother did. After the what? 4 main storyline quests? I don't remember anymore about Corguevais and Ascilia after. Things kicked off the Path of the Twelve quests, maybe there was nothing more to the story that we wouldn't find out from Minfilia.

Ascilia definitely did not stab him though... You can clearly see it was a robed adult, seemingly male. You then see this character walk past Ascilia who is hiding in the same spot as when you approach her to use the Echo. After the echo ends Ascilia is sitting next to a dying Niellesfresne begging him "please don't die."
video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=MCQyze3HcsE
Echo starts at 3:15, robed man/stabbing is at 4:36
If you're suggesting she hired the man to stab Nielle, I suppose that's possible... but she definitely did not do the physical stabbing.

[Warlock]

Ascilia definitely did not stab him though... You can clearly see it was a robed adult, seemingly male. You then see this character walk past Ascilia who is hiding in the same spot as when you approach her to use the Echo. After the echo ends Ascilia is sitting next to a dying Niellesfresne begging him "please don't die."
video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=MCQyze3HcsE
Echo starts at 3:15, robed man/stabbing is at 4:36
If you're suggesting she hired the man to stab Nielle, I suppose that's possible... but she definitely did not do the physical stabbing.

I didn't know that storyline since i did Gridania seems interesting , but what has that to do with Primals?