Why do we have to dwell on meaningless issues?

[CSLionheart]

My counter-point would be that Square Enix are a part of society. They are a form of media. They set an example, albeit within a 'fantasy' game and within the gaming industry. They are our 'leaders'.

Well, that certainly is a valid point, but as many before me have stated, at the end of the day we have to accept the fact that Square Enix wants to sell games by appealing to as broad of an audience as possible. It would be great if they were good role models and did things against the norm, but that's simply not a money-making strategy. And after the failure that was 1.0 they need all the money they can get to make up for it. Sure, they are a PART of society but they weren't the ones who started/defined these trends. All they've done is attempted to reach people by giving them what they want to see (in this case, it's sexy gear, which is a part of virtually every MMO anyway).

Mind you, I'm not saying complacency is the answer. For example, if gay people were complacent with not getting married and hiding their sexual preferences our country (I'm referring to the USA since that's my native country) would never make progress. There's a reason why the approval rate of gay marriage is increasing by the year: it's because the gay community is constantly fighting for equal rights. So yeah, I suppose it makes sense to voice such opinions on these forums, since even the smallest voices can be heard.

I suppose I just wish we didn't have to delve into such political discussions. It does technically have to do with the game so I guess I can't say it doesn't belong here. It's rather ironic, but the fact that this thread made the front page proves my point. It seems like the only threads people want to contribute to are those that are controversial in nature. Personally I've started numerous threads about specific gameplay mechanics/features that I wanted to discuss with others but those threads received next to no attention, despite the fact that they're much more relevant to what this forum was originally intended for. So I guess I should change my original question to this: Why must we spend our time having politically-charged debates when there are so many more interesting threads that get swept under the rug?

[Laiferr]

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Thank you for your response. I can see what you're getting at. I can imagine if it comes up a lot it gets frustrating. Honestly I haven't been on the forums in a very long time. I really didn't mean to tire people out with my post.

Why must we spend our time having politically-charged debates when there are so many more interesting threads that get swept under the rug?

Yes... There are lots of interesting things to be discussed. As you said the controversial threads get the replies (honestly I stopped replying to my own thread as I don't want to bump it). The forum had a much nicer atmosphere and interesting posts/replies when it was first made, unfortunately due to lack of moderation a lot of these nice people left because of the trolling/harassment (I am the only one in my whole group of friends who still posts or reads here, and I am not the nicest of them, haha). Unfortunately not much can be done about this... but it would be nice to encourage some other posts

[CSLionheart]

The forum had a much nicer atmosphere and interesting posts/replies when it was first made, unfortunately due to lack of moderation a lot of these nice people left because of the trolling/harassment

This. Frankly, I wish SE would hire dedicated forum moderators (hell, I'm sure some people would do it as a volunteer job), because our community reps/GMs are simply too busy with other things to be constantly babysitting people.

Also, as a side note, I think part of the reason why people misinterpreted your thread as simply an attack on sexy gear was because not too long ago, when Coliseum gear was first released there WAS a thread doing exactly that, and the vast majority of the community, myself included, thought it was complete BS.

[Cthulhu]

Awwww.... I think we all just saw the blossoming of a new relationship. You two should totally date.

[Azurus]

Thank you for your response. I can see what you're getting at. I can imagine if it comes up a lot it gets frustrating. Honestly I haven't been on the forums in a very long time. I really didn't mean to tire people out with my post.

Why must we spend our time having politically-charged debates when there are so many more interesting threads that get swept under the rug?

Yes... There are lots of interesting things to be discussed. As you said the controversial threads get the replies (honestly I stopped replying to my own thread as I don't want to bump it). The forum had a much nicer atmosphere and interesting posts/replies when it was first made, unfortunately due to lack of moderation a lot of these nice people left because of the trolling/harassment (I am the only one in my whole group of friends who still posts or reads here, and I am not the nicest of them, haha). Unfortunately not much can be done about this... but it would be nice to encourage some other posts

Yeah ol' CS here did a much better job at saying what I was trying to say as I am not sure I actually got across what I was trying to (I was in line at the grocery store trying to type it fast on a smart phone lol) but ya it really comes down to wanting more game systems/art/lore related posts myself. If things keep going as they are I could totally see a thread on how FFXIV could influence Israeli and Palestinian relations. The moment that happens I am out of this game so fast lol

[ejiboo]

couldn't agree more with the OP. it's topics like those that will ultimately be the downfall of XIV 2.0 for hardcore players like myself. we've yet to see any significant combat, which is obviously 90% of any MMO.

[Shougun]

couldn't agree more with the OP. it's topics like those that will ultimately be the downfall of XIV 2.0 for hardcore players like myself. we've yet to see any significant combat, which is obviously 90% of any MMO.

I spent at least 40% of my game time fishing.. :P

If rates are not changed I should have my luminary rod in a few hours of ARR \(^_^)/

[Riv]

I like breasts and skimpy clothes.

[Shougun]

I like breasts and skimpy clothes.

I can give you a couple websites if you need.. lol

But please dont ask to make the game like "those" websites.. XD

[raelee]

I can give you a couple websites if you need.. lol

But please dont ask to make the game like "those" websites.. XD

Just because we like boobs and skimpy clothes doesn't mean it'll look like pr0n. I'm pretty sure most people are just overreacting about this. So boobs are going to jiggle a bit, just in in real life. It'll look more real. Gods forbid.