Why do we have classes AND jobs again?

[whoopeeragon]

Hopefully the redesigned content condones more class/job diversity.

Kind of sick of going Star > Gingerbread Man for every dungeon and Pine Tree for every Primal.

Well, why don't you take the initiative and try something else rather than relying on SE to do it for you? I've done Garuda and Ifrit runs with no BLM or THM, I've done Moogles in almost any set-up there is, I've seen Raven hard-mode done with a vastly different set-up than the cookie cutter set-up made. Why do you have to rely on SE to give you the solutions to the content? Why can't you experiment and play around instead of relying on this particular set-up every single time?

[Arcell]

Well, why don't you take the initiative and try something else rather than relying on SE to do it for you? I've done Garuda and Ifrit runs with no BLM or THM, I've done Moogles in almost any set-up there is, I've seen Raven hard-mode done with a vastly different set-up than the cookie cutter set-up made. Why do you have to rely on SE to give you the solutions to the content? Why can't you experiment and play around instead of relying on this particular set-up every single time?

If you wanted to do 17 min dungeon runs, you have very little choice in class/job diversity. Also, I liked actually playing the game and every time I suggested anything other than the norm in most groups all I was met with was "No". So my choices were: continue trying to be different and not be taken to end-game content or do as I was told and get to actually participate.

This wasn't just one group or anything. It was pretty much everywhere I went, some groups worse than others.

[whoopeeragon]

If you wanted to do 17 min dungeon runs, you have very little choice in class/job diversity. Also, I liked actually playing the game and every time I suggested anything other than the norm in most groups all I was met with was "No". So my choices were: continue trying to be different and not be taken to end-game content or do as I was told and get to actually participate.

This wasn't just one group or anything. It was pretty much everywhere I went, some groups worse than others.

And that's exactly the mentality that I'm getting at - people are much the same with jobs and classes. What's not to say that a party of mix-up between jobs and classes will function better than a group full of jobs? It's just that people are too settled into jobs to be willing to change. Which is why I wonder at people saying that classes are useless, not gonna work etc. have actually tried using them aside from levelling them up to the required level.

[Valmonte]

And that's exactly the mentality that I'm getting at - people are much the same with jobs and classes. What's not to say that a party of mix-up between jobs and classes will function better than a group full of jobs? It's just that people are too settled into jobs to be willing to change. Which is why I wonder at people saying that classes are useless, not gonna work etc. have actually tried using them aside from levelling them up to the required level.

What do you think people did before Jobs? Go "oh no how will we ever beat Ifrit without jobs we might as well not go" or "boy i sure would like to show those moogles what up, its to bad jobs aren't implemented yet". and you know what the funniest part of this story is. those fights became jokes once jobs were implemented.

[whoopeeragon]

What do you think people did before Jobs? Go "oh no how will we ever beat Ifrit without jobs we might as well not go" or "boy i sure would like to show those moogles what up, its to bad jobs aren't implemented yet". and you know what the funniest part of this story is. those fights became jokes once jobs were implemented.

Oh, so the all LNC parties for Ifrit were a figment of my imagination? Archers in Moogle were my imagination? Victories before job implemented were all part of my imagination?

[Valmonte]

Oh, so the all LNC parties for Ifrit were a figment of my imagination? Archers in Moogle were my imagination? Victories before job implemented were all part of my imagination?

yes, its all dreamed up non sense.

[Colvin]

Oh, so the all LNC parties for Ifrit were a figment of my imagination? Archers in Moogle were my imagination? Victories before job implemented were all part of my imagination?

I think he was being sarcastic, Turbo.

[whoopeeragon]

I think he was being sarcastic, Turbo.

Then I really don't get what the sarcasm is for. Since classes worked before jobs got implemented, why can't people use them after jobs got implemented? Why did people have to be too settled into their jobs after implementation to try out different variations? What are you trying to get at, Valmonte, because sarcasm is not a good way to present arguments.