Marriage feedback [inofficial Poll]

[Kye]

Men and woman will play as what they "enjoy looking at". Weither its a woman playing as a man, or a man as a woman, or any combination imaginable. So by your own logic, only allowing opposite sex marriage in an MMO would mess with a lot of people regardless of their orientation.

[Moiren]

There will be a cathedral in ARR, and this was created so that marriage can be performed. We will release information on this once marriage is possible. Same-sex marriage is an extremely fragile topic, so for now we would like to only have opposite-sex marriage to start.

Bah, so disappointed.

[Scherwiz]

I hate no one. In fact, I think I have too much love for humanity in general, it keeps me up at night.

Simply because I care about each and every person, I cannot conform to an easy lie. It is destructive to mankind in general, and that is worrisome to me. I have no hate for anyone o.o only concern. Telling the truth is rarely popular, and I accept that.

If only you were telling the truth, but you are not sir.

[Loggos]

There is no discrimination at work here.

Marriage is a sacrament going back many thousands of years binding a man and woman together - supposedly permanently, but nowadays we like to cheapen the meaning of marriage - into wedlock where they are exclusive to one another, and form the core of the human familial unit.

A homosexual pairing can not accomplish this. It has no reproductive value. It is not the same thing, nor should it be treated as such, no matter how much the "gender identity" politics/wishcasting of the world may change.

You don't even have to be religious to realize how this rails against nature itself. Darwinism also precludes this idea, and recognizes it as ultimately self-destructive to the race. Why should it be honored as is actual marriage?

Not that anyone honors it anymore, but we won't make any societal progress by doubling down on that.

We are currently more than 7 billion human beings, tendency towards much more to come as (at least theoretically) human growth should be exponental. :P
We have already calculated when our resources will run out, so basically we are (soon?) going to suffer a lack of vital resources which will ultimately endanger our human civilisation to a grave extend. So basically LGBT do their job to save the world.

I'm sorry, I'm a bit sarcastic about this! (Please take this as a bad joke that is not supposed to be against either side of this.)


While I do understand your point with the family/reproduction you can't choose who you fall in love with. Marriage (at least how I understand it) is for promising the other person to spend your whole life with him/her. There are also heterosexual couples who don't have children so accordingly they had failed evolutionary purpose. But they probably still love each other.
(And other than that human often act against nature and preservation and evolution and so on. )
Other than that this will not mean that there are more homosexual persons - homosexuality has always existed and is no 20th century invention. It is just about how it is viewed by society and not that suddenly everyone has to turn gay so that human reproduction will fail...


Isn't love what it is about? And if you happen to be LBGT and you fall in love with someone you can hardly change it, can you? At least I found it quite hard (being a girl) not to be in love with a boy even if I had been turned down by him for already a long time.

And besides: We are not reproducing in FFXIV anyways.

[Reika]

I hate no one. In fact, I think I have too much love for humanity in general, it keeps me up at night.

Simply because I care about each and every person, I cannot conform to an easy lie. It is destructive to mankind in general, and that is worrisome to me. I have no hate for anyone o.o only concern. Telling the truth is rarely popular, and I accept that.

Wheres the lie at?

[Kuzak]

But whatever, show us all about love by hating. That's the true way to stick it to all the gays!

I don't see any hatred in his posts, just logic.

[Eagleheart]

Eagleheart your point would be valid only if by allowing same sex unions everyone would choose to just marry someone of the same sex. It is not and would never play out that way because people do not choose to be gay they are born that way so while they cannot procreate with their partners they still feel the same love you would for a woman and share all the same bond.

Making it so they cannot wed is also not progressive because the way the world works is by change, NOTHING can progress without change. that's the law of life, if everything stayed the same as it did hundreds of years ago half the stuff we have today whether it be technology or medical advances would be non-existent and maybe just maybe we would not be alive ourselves.

The point is still invalid. Much is made nowadays of falling in love, but we see where that's gone.

Astronomical out-of-wedlock birth rates, a generally decaying, corpulent culture, and replacement ratings below maintenance for current populations.

Marriage is supposed to be far more than what Hollywood soaps show. It is to be a permanent union dedicated to maintaining discipline and commitment from the man and woman in question, and to raising children. A biological error in a man or woman that leaves them incapable of having children does not make their relationship invalid, as was accused above - it is an error, an unfortunate mistake, in their biology. They are indeed designed for this coupling - but there is a problem that prevents them from fulfilling this portion of their biological programming.

It is, in no way, the same thing as two men who are incapable of producing children. That is a logical fallacy of astonishing proportions.

[KiriA500]

I don't see any hatred in his posts, just logic.

Of course you don't, you agree with him.

out-of-wedlock birth

You're aware a religion is based on this, yes?

[Nuinn]

I hate no one. In fact, I think I have too much love for humanity in general, it keeps me up at night.

Simply because I care about each and every person, I cannot conform to an easy lie. It is destructive to mankind in general, and that is worrisome to me. I have no hate for anyone o.o only concern. Telling the truth is rarely popular, and I accept that.

This is a textbook example of a wrong mental setup. If you cannot accept that there's more than one, "ultimate truth", then you really should step off the pedestal you've put yourself on.

[Taika]

There is no discrimination at work here.

Marriage is a sacrament going back many thousands of years binding a man and woman together - supposedly permanently, but nowadays we like to cheapen the meaning of marriage - into wedlock where they are exclusive to one another, and form the core of the human familial unit.

A homosexual pairing can not accomplish this. It has no reproductive value. It is not the same thing, nor should it be treated as such, no matter how much the "gender identity" politics/wishcasting of the world may change.

You don't even have to be religious to realize how this rails against nature itself. Darwinism also precludes this idea, and recognizes it as ultimately self-destructive to the race. Why should it be honored as is actual marriage?

Not that anyone honors it anymore, but we won't make any societal progress by doubling down on that.

First of all, the definition or meaning of marriage isn't up to you. For me, for example, marriage is about companionship and love, for you it seems to be about reproduction and biology. I'm not judging or forcing my definition on you, but you have no right to do that on me either. Neither am I saying your marriage is somehow cheaper than mine, nor have you any right to claim the opposite.

Secondly, we're not talking about a real life marriage in this thread. Even if we were to evaluate our in game marriages based on their reproductional value (do you realise how ridiculous the idea sounds?) we should evaluate them in the context of the game world and how "biology" works in there - and of that we don't have much to go with.

In short, your argument is completely based on your very personal opinion and you shouldn't try to force it on anyone else.